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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #199
protocolture wrote: post #195

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I am kind of sick of Musicians complaining that culture is so accessible. Its truly the case that if it wasnt for radio and the legal frameworks developed to deliver radio we would probably be looking at incredibly heavy gatekeeping for music. Humans in general are better off with tools like this. And I for one am glad that these developers are showing off who is angry. Heck things could be a lot better right now if…

I like Pete Seeger’s paraphrase of his father: “Plagiarism is basic to all culture”. I think we underestimate the damage to society at large when “remixing” the work of others is legally fraught. The mere reproduction of a previous performance is not additional work for the artist and so does not require compensation: to demand royalties undermines the fundamental structure of art for most of history.

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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by righthand »

crazygringo wrote: post #184
righthand wrote: post #172

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No they’re all trivial things that could all be using 1% of your ram. And when you try to do demanding work on your machine you often have to close half of them to avoid stutter.

I'm not running 10 Electron apps that are trivial. They tend to be actual functional applications. And we're talking about memory usage here. Nothing is stuttering from not enough memory if they're only using 12.5%.

12.5% is just the ram. We’re not even talking about excessive cpu cycles for browser animations yet. That’ll get you stuttering.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by komali2 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #226
komali2 wrote: post #221

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> There should be some respect for that, no? Not really. Like when my friend scolded me the other day for not finishing the dessert I ordered - "trash is burned here, you're contributing to excess methane production." May I be flogged for my excess methane production. I will present myself with no resistance, so long as the floggings are delivered in a linear scale mapping to amount of methane produced. As soon as al…

I don't know how you can square that with the fact that when people bought records musicians made more money. Your metaphor is also incredibly impersonal. What about stealing a sandwich from a homeless person and saying "well society already fucked them over big time." It's a drop in the ocean compared to all the meals he's already missed for other reasons.

> I don't know how you can square that with the fact that when people bought records musicians made more money.

Everyone used to make more money, and anyway this could just as easily be further evidence that the current streaming model is worse and the harm is coming from megacorporations rather than individual behavior, which is my argument.

I don't think your second paragraph is very good faith. It's not clear to me why this basic fact of piracy needs to be restated so often but I guess I'll do it again: Stealing a sandwich from a homeless person deprives a homeless person of a sandwich. Downloading a song deprives nobody of nothing - they can still sell the song. You can't reasonably compare these two completely different actions. You can make other arguments against piracy if you want but it simply isn't theft.

Also my original was talking about orders of magnitudes difference. Burning my leftover pastry being the equivalent of like, a millisecond of the methane output of Chevron. Stealing a sandwich from a homeless person is 1 / 336580 vs, what, do I gotta do the math here to show how astronomically small my output is compared to chevron?

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by const_cast »

bslaq wrote: post #62
j1elo wrote: post #53

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What's really a meme is: " I got 32 GB of RAM, who cares? " I see a parallel with networked services being developed and tested under "works for me" lab conditions without latency, jitter, or reduced bandwidth. "It works fine on my 10 Gbps network, who cares about 2 extra MB of Javascript?" For one, because the very moment you have that line of thought, you're probably already an outlier.

You would be hard-pressed today to find computers with less than 8 GB of RAM. 300 MB is 3.66% of 8 GB of RAM. Which, again, is absolutely nothing. Okay, let's assume you have a computer with 4 GB of RAM. Still 7.32%. That is low.

Except 8 GB of ram is really more like 3 because Windows uses 5 to do nothing. And then Chrome uses a couple more gigs. And then Lord have mercy if you have outlook.

So that's, like, two programs open and were already running out of memory.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by account42 »

derefr wrote: post #76
gpm wrote: post #59

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> So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing If I understand this software correctly, that's not a fair comparison. Popcorn time plays movies from sources that did not have the right to give you a copy (illegal torrents). This plays music from sources that did have a right to give you a copy (e.g. youtube). An app for liberally licensed/public domain music would be neat, this isn't that, but it's also not obvio…

> This plays music from sources that did have a right to give you a copy (e.g. youtube). The distinction being that any random copy of something on YouTube might be there not because the rightsholder explicitly wants it there, but merely because the rightsholder 1. doesn't work with a big label that participates in the YouTube DMCA content fingerprinting program, and 2. doesn't have the resources to stay on top of ev…

This is a theoretical distinction. Most currently popular mainstream music has an authorized upload on YouTube.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by account42 »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #5

No Code of Conduct but AGPL and anti-telemetry and anti-CLA is an interesting quadrant on the software political compass

An interesting one? You mean the best one. Well except for the AI-generated anime art on the website.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by account42 »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #48
tracker1 wrote: post #27

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Works for me. I tend to think of "Code of Conduct" documents as adjacent to HR takeovers by far leftists more often than not. I prefer a standard "don't be an asshole*" stance and letting the leaders/community handle itself. * Asshole behavior decisions at the sole discretion of administrators and moderators.

I like having asshole defined in writing. That is, saying all rules are made up on the spot by whatever mods are in power means that you don't want anyone to know the rules ahead of time, which is suspicious and seems like you don't want help with the project

You either get rules made up on the spot or selective enforcement / creative interpretation of rules.

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Post by cess11 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #216
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #199

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I like Pete Seeger’s paraphrase of his father: “Plagiarism is basic to all culture”. I think we underestimate the damage to society at large when “remixing” the work of others is legally fraught. The mere reproduction of a previous performance is not additional work for the artist and so does not require compensation: to demand royalties undermines the fundamental structure of art for most of history.

As a musician: that's totally fine, we can argue the philosophy of it all day and what the law should or shouldn't be. But right now it is what it is and people are basing their careers off that status quo. There should be some respect for that, no?

Some people think that music should mainly be a task for artists, and not for careerists in the entertainment industrial complex.
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