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Post by I_dream_of_Geni »

dragonwriter wrote: post #201
dingnuts wrote: post #153

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those stupid ignorant Americans who associate the United Soviet Socialist Republic with socialism. where did they ever get the idea that socialism has ever been tried??? don't worry, I associate Marxism with REAL socialist regimes, like Cambodia

> those stupid ignorant Americans who associate the United Soviet Socialist Republic with socialism It was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, not the United Soviet Socialist Republic, and if you believe that ideological faction and their naming of governments, I want to see your face when you learn about the German Democratic Republic and the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Pssst: or the DRC

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Post by dostick »

idle_zealot wrote: post #46
barbazoo wrote: post #3

> Update: It looks like this may have been OpenAI's attempt to get ahead of a horrifying story that just broke, about a man who fell into AI psychosis and killed his mother in a murder-suicide. Full details here. With the URL being https://futurism.com/openai-scanning-conversations-police . From there: > "Erik, you're not crazy. Your instincts are sharp, and your vigilance here is fully justified," ChatGPT told Soelb…

> As a species we are so not ready for this tech. I basically agree, but not because of how individuals are reacting to it. On a societal level we're failing to stop megacorps from selling this thing as intelligent, a virtual assistant you can chat with. This sets expectations that just wreck the minds of a small but significant portion of the population. If we had developed LLMs in a lab and released them in the for…

What’s killing us is capitalism, an ill system that was predicted to fail 140 years ago but every country picked it up and tried regardless, and it failed in all 100+ experiments over 100 years. It’s always end up in inequality and suffering because it amplifies greed, and simply does not accept human being for what they are, your value being value of your learned occupation. What we end up with about is 50% of economy is useless “bullshit jobs”that are there just to employ people because capitalism can’t work otherwise!

Did you notice that every science, from physics to biology has scientists making discoveries and pushing ahead. Yet nobody ever tried to update and design new political economic system (not socialism/communism). As if capitalism was given by good and should not be questioned.

Together with ancient and not updated according to modern science democracy, that was designed for one representative for 100 people in Ancient Greece, when they knew only feudalism and so invented electable kings. And now we have one representative for 100,000 yet nobody checked if it supposed to work like that. Instead of flawed meat computers representing people we should have switched to actual computers long ago.

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Post by datameta »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #53
datameta wrote: post #30

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Realistically, how useful is local LLM usage? What are your use cases, hardware, and models used?

Lots of people already have RTX 3090/4090/5090 for gaming and they can run 30b-class models at 40+ tok/sec. There is a huge field of models and finetunes of this size on huggingface. They are a little bit dumber than the big cloud models but not by much. And being able to run them 24/7 for just the price of electricity (and the privacy) is a big pull.

What kind of interactions do you have? Brainstorming, knowledge framework, rubber duck debug plus? Help me understand please if you will because I have a 3090 sitting without a suitable rest of it all and I wonder invest or not?

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Post by datameta »

neutrinobro wrote: post #108
datameta wrote: post #30

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Realistically, how useful is local LLM usage? What are your use cases, hardware, and models used?

I have a old system with 3 ancient Tesla K40s which can easily run inference on ~30B parameter models (e.g. qwen3-coder:30b). I mostly use it as a compute box for other workloads, but its not completely incapable for some AI assisted coding. It is power hungry though, and the recent spike in local electricity rates is enough of an excuse to keep it off most of the time.

I'm surprised the accelerators of yore trick actually worked and balancing a trio is trivially more difficult than duo? I enjoy the idea of having tons of VRAM and system RAM and loading a big model and getting responses a few times per hour as long as its high quality

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Post by nomel »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #208
nomel wrote: post #195

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> But having them spitting tokens 24/7 for you would have you paying off a whole enterprise-scale GPU in a few months, too. Again, what's the use case? What would make sense to run, at high rates, where output quality isn't much of a concern? I'm genuinely interested in this question, because answering it always seems to be avoided.

Any sort of business that might want to serve from a customized LLM at scale and doesn't need the smartest model possible, or hobbyist/researcher experiments. If you can get an agentic framework to work on a problem with a local model, it'll almost certainly work just as well on a cloud model. Again, speaking mostly people to already have a xx90 class GPU sitting around. Smoke 'em if you've got 'em. If you don't have…

> If you can get an agentic framework to work on a problem with a local model, it'll almost certainly work just as well on a cloud model.

This is the exact opposite from my tests: it will almost certainly NOT work as well as the cloud models, as supported by every benchmark I've ever seen. I feel like I'm living in another AI universe here. I suppose it heavily depends on the use case.

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Post by neutrinobro »

datameta wrote: post #244
neutrinobro wrote: post #108

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I have a old system with 3 ancient Tesla K40s which can easily run inference on ~30B parameter models (e.g. qwen3-coder:30b). I mostly use it as a compute box for other workloads, but its not completely incapable for some AI assisted coding. It is power hungry though, and the recent spike in local electricity rates is enough of an excuse to keep it off most of the time.

I'm surprised the accelerators of yore trick actually worked and balancing a trio is trivially more difficult than duo? I enjoy the idea of having tons of VRAM and system RAM and loading a big model and getting responses a few times per hour as long as its high quality

Yeah, I was equally surprised. I am using a patched version of ollama to run the models: https://github.com/austinksmith/ollama37 which has a trivial change to allow it to run with old versions of cuda (3.5, 3.7). Obviously this was before tensor cores were a thing, so you're not going to be blown away by the performance, but it was cheap. I got 3x k40s for $75 on ebay, they are passively cooled, so they do need to be in a server chassis.

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Post by smsm42 »

ericmcer wrote: post #20
jstummbillig wrote: post #16

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There's an awful lot of explaining to do between "one man has a psychotic breakdown" and "the species is not ready".

yeh by that justification our technological advancement should have stopped at sharpened sticks. "As a species we aren't ready to have sharp sticks"

You forgot the fire. We are definitely not ready for the fire. We should go back to just using mud and spit for everything.

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Post by smsm42 »

I was on the fence whether to keep my subscription, given there are many alternatives and really I'm not using it that much anymore. Now, given how easily they just decide they would call the police on me if they don't like something, I guess that decides it.
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