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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Any hope for a 75 keyboard? With home/end/pageup/pagedown on the side?

We're developing key modules that enable the community and 3rd party keyboard developers to create alternate key layouts.

I would love more keyboard options! If I could have a laptop with a keyboard more like a standard tenkeyless, I would be over the moon. In the meantime, I'll have to see about hacking the standard keyboard somehow, although there's no fixing those arrow keys.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

"Without issues" is a stretch. You need to use two hands or be skilled with one. Its trivial on a mouse or a pad with a discrete buttons. But ok, what about just dragging a long distance where you would normally lift the mouse or finger? Is there some hidden gesture for this? Maybe once your initial drag finger hits the edge you need to use two more to do a move gesture? But I've seen that trigger scroll and/or pinch…

> what about just dragging a long distance where you would normally lift the mouse or finger?

This is why you set Trackpad speed to "fastest", and take advantage of the aggressive trackpad acceleration. When you move your finger quickly you'll easily reach the far side of the screen before your finger reaches the edge of the pad, and slow finger movements will still be precise

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I'm glad the AMD GPU option still exists, I don't have great experience with NVIDIA on Linux. The rest of the upgrades, like the new top cover and keyboard, are very welcome

It'd be nice if I could upgrade my old Framework into this spec. Infinitely upgradeable is nice on a per product line basis. But new product lines still lead to obsolescence and in this case regret.

This isn't a new product line, it's an upgrade to an existing line - exactly what the company promises.

On the OP page, it says:

> Pick up all these upgrades from our Marketplace to extend the life of your existing Framework Laptop 16.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #4

I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.

Any possibility of a new Linux keyboard? Else, are the existing Linux keyboard modules compatible with the updated shell?

The new keyboard artwork across all languages is Linux by default, meaning no Windows logo on the super key.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #163

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Some people used to use a separate finger like the thumb to click, which is pretty fast.

This is my issue! All these years later, I am still not used to it, and I accidentally trigger multi-tap nonsense that I didn't intend because I am trying to click with my thumb.

My only point of reference is my MacBook Pro trackpad but I have no problem using my finger to move the cursor with my thumb resting on the trackpad and clicking. Not exactly the same because you lose some of the tactility of discrete buttons but it seems somewhat possible at least.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#248
post #200

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You assume it wrong. You can click-to-drag and scroll simultaneously without issues on an Apple trackpad.

"Without issues" is a stretch. You need to use two hands or be skilled with one. Its trivial on a mouse or a pad with a discrete buttons. But ok, what about just dragging a long distance where you would normally lift the mouse or finger? Is there some hidden gesture for this? Maybe once your initial drag finger hits the edge you need to use two more to do a move gesture? But I've seen that trigger scroll and/or pinch…

I'm probably missing some context, but on my Mac I'm using three fingers drag and I can lift fingers and (quickly) reposition them without breaking the drag.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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> Why can no laptop manufacturer even make this an option? Because it’s a variation of both the case and the internals that brings a higher failure rate, more dust ingress, more moving parts, and, most importantly, would rarely be chosen. > They are so much slower, They are objectively faster because you can click anywhere rather than moving a finger to a button or keeping one finger always on the button.

Some people used to use a separate finger like the thumb to click, which is pretty fast.

Exactly. On ThinkPad touchpads with real hardware mouse buttons, I move on the touchpad with my pointer finger, and click with my middle finger.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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It would be nice to see a 5070 Ti, 5080, or even Quadro-grade RTX 5000 ADA for graphics-oriented workloads. I'm not sure the type-c (200-230w) would be sufficient to run these cards at their reccomended TGP (150w) + CPU (50w) + charge - not that most 16" productivity-oriented notebooks do (70-115W).

They could run in lower power mode(s)... Given the power/cooling requirements for the module, I'm not sure they'd perform much better than the 5070 option already there. Another comment mentioned the 5070 is configured to run at 100W.

a 5070ti would be a lot better since that gets you up to 12gb VRAM.
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