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The MiniPC Revolution

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Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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MiniPC must either charge from USB-C or have an internal PSU. Those external power bricks are so annoying when you start adding more PCs to the cluster.

That's one of the things the Mac mini has going for it: the built-in PSU. I'm surprised the Chinese manufacturers haven't just ripped off the design of those yet.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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As much as I like the idea of miniPCs my biggest issue is that almost everything in miniPCs are soldered down, if you could replace the RAM/CPU/Storage I'd have zero with them. But for now, I'm skeptical in that the current push for miniPCs are a clandestine way to get more technical people onboard with unrepairable devices.

Huh, I paid $270 for a Minisforum UM350 w/ 16GB, 500GB. The RAM was replaceable and last year I upgraded it to 32GB. I swapped out the included M.2 for a 1TB, and then added a second 1TB M.2. All fully supported as-is.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #173

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That's a NAS. Just get a 2 bay NAS.

But a two bay NAS is typically maxed out at 16 GB of RAM, see UGREEN or QNAP. The CPUs are also dog slow for non-NAS tasks, like running VMs and containers. Zimaboards come close. Two sata ports and 1-2 NVMe via PCIe. I heard the board may not be able to power all these drives. RAM is limited to 8-16 GB. I guess I should separate HDD storage in a proper NAS and use a miniPC for VMs and containers only.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UgreenNASync/comments/1dm4iiu/is_th...

Apparently you can upgrade the Ugreen 2-bay DXP2800 to 32GB.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #229

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What do you think Microsoft will/can do to sabotage Proton?

First of all they can make it easier option for OEMs go for Windows/XBox handhelds and thus push SteamDeck out of market, by making it a niche device only a minority cares about, netbooks attack plan style, which they are starting now. They can also introduce Windows/DirectX APIs that Proton will have a hard time copying, by requiring additional hardware or subsystem features not easily copyable. They can let their l…

> First of all they can make it easier option for OEMs go for Windows/XBox handhelds and thus push SteamDeck out of market, by making it a niche device only a minority cares about, netbooks attack plan style, which they are starting now.

Steamdeck is already a niche device, and they have direct competition since years now. Optimizing the software and interface won't probably make it much worse for Valve.

> They can also introduce Windows/DirectX APIs that Proton will have a hard time copying, by requiring additional hardware or subsystem features not easily copyable.

Seems unrealistic that games will adapt a new restricted API, which at the same will be a longterm hazzle for Wine/Proton, and will survive that court-battles. At best, it's just some annoying money-sink, with Microsoft playing on time to make it worse for everyone without gaining any real advantage.

> Finally, companies don't last forever, and I am betting as the 2nd most valuable company in the planet, Microsoft will outlive Steam's current management and eventually deal with the problem in another way.

That's actually realistic, but there is also the chance that valve will be outliving Windows and has to battle with whatever will follow.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #215

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That's not much of a disability-related use case to insult me about.

You can't imagine a disabled person might have difficulties to get up and reach a light switch?

Absolutely, but you suggested that it was because you hate to turn off music and then walk out.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #215

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You can't imagine a disabled person might have difficulties to get up and reach a light switch?

Absolutely, but you suggested that it was because you hate to turn off music and then walk out.

I did no such thing; that was a non-disabled use case just to show you it has use for everyone.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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Used ThinkPads from eBay, especially the smaller models from the X-Series, can make surprisingly cost effective "MiniPCs".

If you need multiple devices, as mentioned in the article, you can even stack the laptops and build a small tower of "MiniPCs" all with different purposes.

Another advantage is that they already come with a built-in screen and keyboard allowing for quick debugging, without needing to connect external peripherals.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #84
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I agree and already got two minipcs I selfhost a lot of stuff now. I just now realized it is basically the future Gabe Newell predicted and wanted to make with Steam Machines [1], but he was wrong by targeting gamers and a little too early (perhaps?). Maybe they will succeed precisely because of this revolution. I got soooo tired setting up a gaming system for parties on my projector. There are so many various proble…

> I want plug and play, but consoles have their own problems and limitations. How so? A console is literally a gaming PC. I can see the point of “need multiple consoles because game X isn’t on console Y” or “I’d like to play an RTS/MMO that isn’t on a console” but since you mentioned gamepads that point mostly dies. I also haven’t ever had a PS5 or Switch controller lose link from a console because someone walks or s…

> How so? A console is literally a gaming PC.

Consoles are walled gardens, while PC is an open park. On a proper PC, you can choose anything from everything, while consoles are very restricted in terms of software and ability. I mean, think about modding, running other software besides the game (browser, (voice-)chat, etc.), having special hardware like a mouse, keyboard, capture-card, a second screen... Consoles are again slowly those things, but it's still not the same as a proper Gaming-PC.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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Minisforum is also one of many mini-pc vendors that basically doesn't release bios updates. They might release a couple early on, to try to get systems stable, but after that don't expect any bios updates. AMD will release plenty of updates, & you'll be stuck on whatever it was your system came with. Different kind of support concern from yours, but also noteworthy. Really unfortunate. I still have an old HP EliteDes…

I’d be very surprised if your EliteDesk never got any BIOS updates. In my experience, business grade PCs from the major vendors (Dell/HP/Lenovo) usually have a pretty solid software support lifecycle. If it’s an EliteDesk G2 Mini, the last BIOS update was released in May 2024.

You're totally right! Small distinction: my unit is smaller than the Mini (a weird in between size), it's the 1-liter-ish DM 35W.

I thought it would be moot, because I vaguely remember HP starting to require support contracts for bios updates. But I guess that only applies to HP Enterprise gear? Yuck, what a pox.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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If they can set up a light with home assistant they can screw in a lightbulb. Come on.

That may be so, but what you say doesn't answer my question: can they unscrew a lightbulb that is literally falling apart as they unscrew it ? ANSWER: If the power is off, they likely will remove the glass bulb (one piece), examine the situation and then unscrew the metal bulb base (second piece) and finally, remove any stray material in the (unpowered) socket. If the power is on, the correct answer is "No, they like…

I’m sorry the light bulb presents difficulty for you
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