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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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step 6: Block non-compliant DNS servers

Step 7: Camera AI that can catch the people scribbling “Sci-Hub is 190.115.31.218” on a bathroom wall.

There's literally no perfect law in the world. So I'm not exactly sure what your point is.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).

Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for. The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.

>The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies

> so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for.

Probably shoulda voted then

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

> They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.)

I’m reading this as you saying that the system is worse now that the monarchy and aristocracy have less power. Is that correct? If so, how do these unelected groups make it better?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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"Allowing" UK residents to access the site? The UK is not the police of the Internet. 4chan is not a UK site and does not have to be aware of UK law. If the UK doesn't like it then it's their responsibility to stop their residents from accessing it. 4chan is complying with all the laws that apply to them.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Ofcom can fine 4chan all it wants, but without UK assets those penalties are unenforceable, they have no power here. This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

> This is why the US dropped tea into Boston to have it's own Freedom.

(But primarily done to protect colonial smugglers' and merchants' businesses which were being undercut by the English tea that was still cheaper than theirs, even with the small tax.)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

We need a DNS server with a history database, not just a cache, preferably with a distributed history database. Visit a website and it was blocked by the "official" DNS? Declare the IP invalid in the webUI (or the browser plugin) of the local DNS and it will get you the previous IP from the database.

Brave browser launched a blockchain based domains registry IIRC.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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I understand the people might wanna block porn on their kids mobile internet and home WiFi. So why don't they mandate their ISP to implement this as an optional feature ? Why do they instead try to boil the ocean by going after every website on the planet and outside of their jurisdiction?

Their isps already offer this, actually. You have to show id to them to get it turned pff.

I don’t have to show ID, but I do have to pay the bill, which means a direct debit, which means over 18.

The correct solution (in addition to bill layer control and arguably compulsory support for an “over 18” tag in dns which would be easy enough to implement for the same sites that currently demand over 18s, would be to help parents utilise parental controls (having recently been through it with Minecraft and fortnight it was a nightmarish gordian knot.

The hand wringing about how evil vpns are is the same. My son can’t install mullvad or whatever on his phone without my approval thanks to apple’s parental controls. I assume android has the same.

The goal has never been to empower parents though

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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How does step 5 work? Switching DNS servers is trivial.

DNS poisoning and rejection of TLS handshakes based on SNI.

Encrypted Client Hello and DNS over HTTPS.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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> yes this is a thing and most replies to threads are 4chan-GPT Do you have proof of this?

They bragged about it for a while but after the bragging stopped my proof is only anecdotal. When the United States Agency for International Development was defunded the bots went quiet and shortly thereafter the site was hacked using a vulnerability that had been well known since 2012 . It was peaceful for a few weeks prior to the hack and for a couple weeks after the hack. Most of the fake racists disappeared from…

> Best I can tell 4chan is a test site to fine tune social manipulation GPT's.

Almost certainly. Relevant donor tie from the Tiburon Trestle Trail Project https://imgur.com/a/3JAW9ku (2017)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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post #77

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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

The people in charge are largely hated by the electorate. They won by default effectively due to a quirk of how UK elections work (which was less of a problem when the monarch/aristocracy was still involved to counter balance things like this, but now that that's gone the state is effectively out of control.) Unless by "democracy" you mean "sleepwalking administration everyone hates" the current UK government is unus…

No post war U.K. government aside from the 2010-15 coalition had a majority of voters voting for the parties in power. 1951 came close I think.

However opinion polls consistently put support for the “anti porn” bill up high amongst multiple demographics.

The cause for this is a lack of computer literacy, in both government and the population, but that doesn’t really matter.

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