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What if at some point an AI is developed that’s a better therapist AND it’s cheaper?
What if pigs fly?
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That's your opinion. I disagree with it, and seemingly I'm not alone. Since real humans actually agree with the suggestion of taking meth in this instance, it's not reasonable to expect LLMs to align to your specific opinions here.
I thought we were talking about outcomes, not opinions. Are those other humans doctors? Is there the clinical research or guidelines to backup giving meth to a person in withdrawal syndrome?
Tapering is the keyword you are looking for. Gradually reducing the dose is a well known method for minimizing withdrawal issues. It has both pros and cons compared to quitting cold turkey. I think a real doctor would probably first get the patient on a less addictive stimulant and then taper that one.
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Wouldn’t the rich afford a much better trained, larger, and computationally more intensive model?
does it matter? If mine is way better than I had before, why does it matter that someone else's is better still? My sister's $130 Moto G is much better than whatever phone she could afford 10 years. Does it matter that it's not a $1599 iPhone 16 Pro Max 1TB?
A therapist is not a phone. Everybody deserves the best care, not just what is better than we have now. That's a low bar.
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It's already happening, a lot. I don't think anyone is claiming an llm is a therapist, but people use chatgpt for therapy every day. As far as I know no LLM company is taking any steps to prevent this - but they could, and should be forced to. It must be a goldmine of personal information. I can't imagine some therapists, especially remote only, aren't already just acting as a human interface to chatgtp as well.
> I can't imagine some therapists, especially remote only, aren't already just acting as a human interface to chatgtp as well. Are you joking? Any medical professional caught doing this should lose their license. I would be incensed if I was a patient in this situation, and would litigate. What you're describing is literal malpractice.
I'm not joking. Malpractice happens all the time. You being incensed is not the deterrent you think it is.
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> I can't imagine some therapists, especially remote only, aren't already just acting as a human interface to chatgtp as well. Are you joking? Any medical professional caught doing this should lose their license. I would be incensed if I was a patient in this situation, and would litigate. What you're describing is literal malpractice.
Software engineers are so accustomed to the idea that skirting your professional responsibility ends with a slap on the wrist and not removing your ability to practice your profession entirely.
You overestimate the vigilance of other professions. A Dr or Lawyer needs to screw up really badly, many times, before anything happens. They all go to the same country clubs.
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#247I think the upside for everyday people outweighs the (current) risks. I've been using Harper (harper.new) to keep track of my (complex) medical info. Obviously one of the use cases of AI is pulling out data from pdfs/images/etc. This app does that really well so I don't have to link with any patient portals. I do use the AI chat sometimes but mostly to ask questions about test results and stuff like that. Its way easier than trying get in to see my doc
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#248Good. It's difficult to imagine a worse use case for LLMs.
You're ignorant. Why wait until a person is so broken they need clinical therapy? Sometimes just a an ear or an oppertunity to write is sufficient. LLMs for therapy is as vaping is to quitting nicotine--extremely helpful to 80+% of people. Confession in the church setting I'd consider similar to talking to LLM. Are you anti-that too? We're talking about people that just need a tool to help them process what is going…
> Sometimes just a an ear or an oppertunity to write is sufficient.
People were able to write about their feelings and experiences before the invention of a chat bot that tells you everything that you wrote is true. Like you could do that in notepad or on a piece of paper and it was free
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#250What if it works a third as well as a therapists but is 20 times cheaper? What word should we use for that?
Big if.