Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's even worse than that. Israel's minister of the security services is ideologically aligned with the terrorists, and has openly supported their causes all his life. A quite unprecedented situation, I think!
No, it's been the norm for Israel since its inception. To mention just a couple of examples, ben-Gurion was a founder of Haganah, of which Rabin, infamous for his "break-their-bones" policy, was a member. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break-their-bones_policy
‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
241–250 of 955 posts
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#242Israeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/letter-sanctio...
It's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas attack on Kibbutzim near Gaza in '23. Quite important not to become part of the problem when you discuss this case. And the problem is that such a heated subject is prone to make people ideologically possessed and tribal. To a point where they become emotionally…
> Eurasia Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/05/30/poll-israelis-exp...
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#243Once Gaza and the West Bank are taken care of, will Lebanon, Jordan, or Syria be next? Israel very much depends on being the dominant power in the region. If they lose US support, things could get ugly indeed. And they are losing support rapidly now.
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the moment, the two sides only agree on wishing the other dead. So even in the ideal world it is a very remote possibility.
I also think we passed the window for a two state solution. Having two ethno-nationalist states next to each other is bad. Giving them a very complicated border is worse. Having them hate each other with centuries of history and territory claims is even worse still. Then giving them both, let alone one, access to the global arms market is asking for never ending wars of annihilation. If you could design a situation t…
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#245In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza, but Hamas has rejected it. If I may quote Izzat al-Rishq, a member of the Hamas political bureau, "We stress our people's rejection of the presence of any non-Palestinian actors on our land." [ https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2024/04/02/hamas-says-no-to-i... ]. They only accept aid organizations.
If the answer is "None" then Israel did not in fact propose peacekeeping forces.
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#246In ideal world international peacekeeping forces would be deployed in Gaza. The peace and two state solution could only be enforced by imposing severe sanctions on Israel including possibility of aerial NATO strikes like in the former Yugoslavia.
Is two-state solution possible? Just look at the map of the territories under palestinian control, they're bantustans. Israel/Palestine is factually one state, which simply doesn't accept half of its population as citizens. You could also say that "two-state solution" has been tried in 1948, but (for whatever reasons) didn't work out. So support for 2-state is just a form of delaying the inevitable. I am now firm bel…
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#247Israeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/letter-sanctio...
It's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas attack on Kibbutzim near Gaza in '23. Quite important not to become part of the problem when you discuss this case. And the problem is that such a heated subject is prone to make people ideologically possessed and tribal. To a point where they become emotionally…
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/majority-israelis-support...
Given Israeli education, support for settlers, the immigration policy which allows anyone with Jewish heritage to claim land there (regardless of any connection to the area, and of any outstanding arrest warrants) and Israelis using their kids to stop aid trucks and so on, there's a lot needed to show the majority what is actually humane and acceptable.
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#248Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#249Bunch of racist Israeli hooligans that were thrown into the Amsterdam Canals got more outrage from the international media and diplomats than a livestreamed cold blooded murder by a terrorist. This is everything you need to know about the world we live in. Palestinian lives simply do not matter.
Lives in Palestine get far more attention than Burma, West Africa, Ethiopia and Sudan [1].
The basic truth is lives far removed from us tend to be forgettable.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_confli...
Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
#250For the record, A previous story of this got flagged into oblivion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44721604