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Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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What kind of house had you been dreaming of? I live in SF, and even here $3M goes an awfully freaking long way.

Maybe OP wants a house in atherton next to andreessen.

I'm guessing it's a very select group of people who want a house next to Andreessen...

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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my equity from 2years pre-acquisition: ~$2800. Then the CEO gave out bonuses when everyone threatened to quit. Then after his 3 month vacation to Italy, he came back driving his new Ferrari. My equity from 4 years ( employee ~60, grew to over 500 ): worthless. No one is able to exercise any options. They also readjusted when the valuation came below the total raised, making the value of my vested shares ~$13k ( down…

I know this is HN but imo it's rarely ever a good deal to work at startups as an employee instead of a cofounder (with actual cofounder equity not just the title i.e. within the same order of magnitude as the largest-shareholding cofounder), over a bigger established company. The only good reasons to do so are if you want to learn or make contacts so that you can found your own startup later. In my pensive moments, o…

I don’t think that’s entirely correct.

You need to work with good people. There is no substitute for ethics.

Also you need not go for roles where they offer .3 % and make a big deal about it. Don’t take less than 1% minimum and as soon as two years pass by and you have carried your weight start looking for a new job. If they value you they will bump you up. It they don’t you will bump yourself up by going for a new job. And don’t be afraid to go for competitors if you believe in the value of the space.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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Sorry to break it to you but 10% profit on 6.5M rev is very low and will absolutely not fetch a high multiple, especially considering this is a mature 10 year old business. This is not a high growth business and you may have grown overly rose colored glasses by thinking it could be priced as one.

So much more. What assets/patents do they own? How much money is in the bank? What does their liability sheet look like? How “hot” is their industry right now? Some time ago I found a good formula to plugin numbers and get a valuation multiple. The questions above were the ones that really moved the multiplier. A major lot of “startups” are in the 1-2x range. The hot ones will peak at 7-12x.

I suppose the industry is not hot right now. EdTech was never really very hot. It was 'luke warm' at best, a decade ago. They own a lot of software, also, they publish their own math textbook (both digital and print). They have licenses with thousands of schools across multiple countries. I don't recall they have any debt.

I feel like they could easily bump up profits by $2 million just by letting go of people... But they could probably double the license cost per student. Although schools don't have much money, they are kind of slow and bureaucratic; set in their ways. It's a small cost for them anyway, once a system is part of the curriculum, they'll probably pay extra to avoid reorganizing the lessons.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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not ime. you're also much more likely to get sued for this when real money is involved. cases that i know personally (and myself) either did ok and got pay out or everyone went to zero (below or close to strike price) but founders got secondaries (which screws VCs not the employees).

seen many many cases first hand in NYC. Also, as an individual its very hard to sue a company with a huge amount of VC funding. you need a 100k to burn on it to even have a basic chance, and most cases are a legal gray area, most lawyers wont even take the case. even finding a lawyer with the expertise to handle a case like this is not easy, its a very small world among those types of lawyers

Make friends with lawyers.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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post #192

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my equity from 2years pre-acquisition: ~$2800. Then the CEO gave out bonuses when everyone threatened to quit. Then after his 3 month vacation to Italy, he came back driving his new Ferrari. My equity from 4 years ( employee ~60, grew to over 500 ): worthless. No one is able to exercise any options. They also readjusted when the valuation came below the total raised, making the value of my vested shares ~$13k ( down…

I know this is HN but imo it's rarely ever a good deal to work at startups as an employee instead of a cofounder (with actual cofounder equity not just the title i.e. within the same order of magnitude as the largest-shareholding cofounder), over a bigger established company. The only good reasons to do so are if you want to learn or make contacts so that you can found your own startup later. In my pensive moments, o…

The startup I work for keeps my employment because they keep bidding competitively with the investment banks I would otherwise work for.

They have the cash, if you have the leverage. Use it.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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The fun part comes when you put in 20 years doing this, and your dream is to buy a nice house, and you finally get your seven-figure payout, and.... it's not enough to buy a house. Because now a house is 3 million dollars.

What kind of house had you been dreaming of? I live in SF, and even here $3M goes an awfully freaking long way.

for a standalone house in my area (lakeside near Zurich, Switzerland) you'd pay way more than 3M... apartments go for 2+.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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i had many startups reaching out over the years but i just could not make the numbers work to make the shift.

it's not uncommon that a regular salary from a big tech in the bay area would amount to ~$2M total after 4 years (considering stock appreciation).

if you were given 1% of equity of the startup then start up has to worth $200M after 4 years. or more likely you would be given 0.1% of equity of the startup, and then it has to worth more than $2B, in order for it to make sense for you.

how likely is that going to happen?

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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What kind of house had you been dreaming of? I live in SF, and even here $3M goes an awfully freaking long way.

anything within 45 minutes of your office in palo alto (where you are mandated to show up 5 days a week). this will get you a 1300sqft piece of shit built in 1964 with asbestos and lead paint and lead pipes and a cracked foundation (also some dipshit realtor had them paint all the original wood beams and paneling inside gloss white and replace the original wood and slate floors with grey vinyl) from some baby boomer…

And here I thought I had it bad when houses went from 400k to 800k for the same house pre- vs post-pandemic in Raleigh, NC.

Re: Windsurf employee #2: I was given a payout of only 1% what my shares where worth

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The fun part comes when you put in 20 years doing this, and your dream is to buy a nice house, and you finally get your seven-figure payout, and.... it's not enough to buy a house. Because now a house is 3 million dollars.

What kind of house had you been dreaming of? I live in SF, and even here $3M goes an awfully freaking long way.

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