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Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Here is a translated version of the telegram message posted by the hacking team:

> LLC “Gaskar Integration” (Gaskar Group)—one of the largest UAV manufacturers in Russia—has just been penetrated right down to the tonsils in the course of demilitarization and denazification.

> VO Team, together with the Ukrainian Cyber Alliance (https://t.me/UCAgroup) and another very well‑known organization whose mere mention makes the vatniks’ bottle‑openings burst (https://gur.gov.ua/), carried out large‑scale operations: we seized all of Gaskar Group’s network and server infrastructure, gathered valuable data on their current and prospective UAVs, destroyed that data, and knocked the entire infrastructure offline.

> By the way, from the information we obtained, the PRC is helping Gaskar Group with production and staff training. China transferred technology for the newest UAVs—technology that is now in our hands .

> VO Team focused on wiping out the production complex’s infrastructure. On‑site we erased more than 250 hosts (4 ESXi servers, 46 virtual servers, 200+ workstations) and bricked about 20 MikroTik devices. In total we destroyed 47 TB of valuable data at Gaskar Group—including 10 TB of backups—and disabled all production and auxiliary systems.

> The scum at Gaskar Group have the blood of hundreds of Ukrainian children, women, and elderly on their hands. That’s why we went after this target with special zeal. We now possess the lists of ALL employees, their home addresses, information about their family members, and much more… We’re in your home computers and phones—we’re everywhere . Not a single bastard from Gaskar Group will escape responsibility!

> The sword of Damocles already hangs by a thin thread over your heads. It’s too late to spew excuses like “we’re apolitical” or “we were just making money”….

> The whole world can see that the so‑called Russian Federation has strategically lost everything. Defeat and collapse of that unwashed entity are only a matter of time. VO Team is collecting data on everyone involved in Putin’s criminal war—the deaths of our children, mothers, and all Ukrainians. Retribution is inevitable and is drawing near!

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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War economies famously known for low inflation and wide availability of basic goods.

Keeping the war longer by a decade by not willing to hold your promise is vastly improves things, that’s for sure. Instead of showing the bully the force, be done with that pretty quickly and returning to your non-war economy pretty quickly. Ever considered that option, huh?

Russia has nuclear weapons and good means of delivering them all over the planet. That is a fact of reality that does not allow us to "be done with that pretty quickly".

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Why would you be able to sue the government for conducting a search authorized by a judge? It's expected that result of some searches is "Oopsie doopsie nothing found".

It’s even worse than that, in the US police have broad latitude to destroy property, kill pets, seize any cash or assets (theoretically related to the crime, but very easy to abuse) and etc. while executing a search, with little to no recourse.

Not just kill pets, but kill people. Even if they raided the wrong home.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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This is a nightmare kind of discovery. I had a similar one, but fortunately, it wasn't as impactful. This is why I like docker, if you keep the sources, you recover no matter what (at least until the "no matter what" holds water)

> This is why I like docker, my understanding is that docker would not have helped in that scenario

it really depends on the scenario but if the application was dockerized and they had an image, it would be just starting it again, somewhere else.

Possibly with the same network settings if the licensing check was based on that.

But of course it can easily go south, though testing the recovery of a container based off an image and mounted volume is simple and quickly shows you if it works or not.

But of course it may work today but not tomorrow because the software was not ready for Y2K and according to it we are in the XX century or something and the license is 156 years ... young. Cannot allow this nonsense to proceed, call us at

IT is full of joy and happiness

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Short version: Possibly the worst thing to be raided for: distribution of CSAM. Apparently based purely on the 'evidence' of my IP address being on some list - that's the only explanation I ever got. Funny thing is, they did so little background research they didn't even know to expect kids in the house when they raided at 6:30am. It still triggers me. This was in August 2022. I wrote pages and pages of my memories a…

In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

> In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Sure you can sue anybody for anything. Whether your case actually gets heard or not is another consideration. And even if it gets heard, the judge can simply dismiss it for a variety of reasons before proceeding to trial.

Also, state and the federal governments have sovereign immunity and qualified immunity. Basically the government has to allow itself to be sued.

True this doesn't apply to counties or cities, however there is still a much higher bar for tort even for local police. Generally if they are operatikng within the law, like executing a valid search warrant, the standard is much higher than it would be for an average citizen.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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In the USA? Where you can be sued if someone slips on your sidewalk? Can't you sue the gvmt?

Why would you be able to sue the government for conducting a search authorized by a judge? It's expected that result of some searches is "Oopsie doopsie nothing found".

You could sue if they made some major mistakes or were fabricating evidence or some other significant malpractice. It's a pretty high bar.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Your first comments suggests it isn't happening ("which nato countries") Now, predictably upon being told that it happens you pivot to NATO is useless. Which is it: a set of attacks so obscure no reasonable person would be aware, or a horrendous onslaught where Article 5 should have been invoked and a mass retaliation begun? NATO countries historically didn't invoke Article 5 even for terrorist attacks killing their…

I was trying to follow my respondents' reasoning, as in, if Russia had indeed attacked NATO countries, which they said it had indeed happen, then how come NATO, being a defensive alliance first and foremost, didn't do anything about it? In other words, and following Eastern-European logic (which, trust me, helps in cases like this one, I'm from Eastern Europe myself), had Russia really attacked any NATO countries you…

> if Russia had indeed attacked NATO countries, which they said it had indeed happen, then how come NATO, being a defensive alliance first and foremost, didn't do anything about it?

This was already answered but to be clear: ”doing something” and ”invoking article 5” is like the difference between saying ”asshole” in traffic vs rallying your friends to murder the driver’s family.

One could argue NATO countries should respond stronger to hybrid and clandestine warfare. Right now, we see a lot of ”angry letters”. But, it’s not clear eye for an eye is a strategically sound response, partly because it legitimizes the methods, and partly because it escalates tensions towards a war that nobody wants. Israel for instance takes an entirely different stance, basically retaliating with maximum force to deter the enemy (similar to punching the ”school bully” so hard, just once, that he stops). I don’t claim to be a diplomatic expert, but it’s worth noting that Israel is currently engaged in several major wars and conflicts, and tensions have grown.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

Because that would still be a disproportionate response and make NATO the aggressor, playing right into Russian hands. The Russian military is already being destroyed in Ukraine (and even in Russia). The proportionate response is to give Ukraine everything they need to destroy Russia in a war that Russia chose to start. A war that they opened with a surprise invasion, no less. They are unambiguously the aggressor in…

NATO attacking Russia would definitely not be playing into Russia's hands. Very bad for Russia, very costly for NATO, long war would make the voters unhappy, and India and China would feel rightly threatened.

Russian and Ukrainian militaries are being destroyed, but it also matters how fast they are being rebuilt. As mentioned above, Russia and Ukraine are debugging all their outdated military doctrines. The survivors will have a lot of hard-won experience.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Cyber warfare is really reaching a new peak in Ukraine, and not just the more-traditional cyberattacks like this. The target is of note; the drones themselves are the thing that's setting this war apart from all of the primarily human powered wars of the past centuries.

Drones have revolutionized reconnaissance, sabotage, and munitions interception. Relative to their material cost, they can be terrifically destructive, and with the advances in image recognition in the past decade some are able to operate even when affected by electronic signal jamming. This is some very cyberpunk shit going on right now.

This was obviously a very high-value target, and Ukraine has shown themselves again to be masters of asymmetric warfare: taking out a sizable chunk of Russia's long range bombers using drones smuggled across Russia, and now impacting one of the centers of Russia's drone manufacturing. It is difficult to see how the war will end, but it is clear that Ukraine is not about to stop fighting.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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I mostly agree, except the pariah state part. Russia is hedging that the "pariah state" label will wear off pretty quickly. The current US government has as recently as March floated the idea of normalising business ties, and constantly flip-flops it's position. However, the biggest loser has definitely been Europe (including Britain). High energy prices have cascaded the cost of living crisis, which in turn has led…

If you think Europe is the biggest loser, you need to dig a bit deeper on the state of Russia... I might be wrong, but there's no recovery from this blunder for many, many years - if it manages to stay a Federation, that's yet to be seen, but my guess is China will take a chunk out of Russia eventually. Remember Russia in 3 years had: - 1 Military coup; - Lost 50% of the Black Sea Fleet and it's now unusable; - 1.000…

Europe's entire future is on the line right now. Forget many years..

Higher energy prices, and increased defence spending (from a low starting point) to meet the new US governments requirements are exacerbating the cost of living crisis continent wide. Europe already wasn't innovating, and is now losing the small amount of industry it does have, to energy prices, to China's entry into EV production, and EU regulation. The demands to spend more on our own defence by the US administration comes from a US administration which has flirted with the idea of not even defending NATO.

The cost of living crisis, coupled with "AI" (LLM) is hollowing out an already pretty hollow service economy across Europe, and is creating disillusionment which is causing Europeans to shift to either extreme side of the political spectrum. In my country, the UK, Reform, a politically inept and untested party is currently leading in the polls for the next election. This party, as well as many like it in Europe, is even leading in the polls despite well known Russian political influence in them.

On top of this, the demographic crisis, while not made worse by tons of dead men sent off to war and exodus, is still affecting Europe and the only reason it isn't notable to many people is due to immigration filling the gaps. Immigration, which is lowering wages and in many peoples eyes, changing their cultural landscape for the worse, increasing their likelihood in voting for fringe political parties.

As much as Russia might lose from this war, they'll probably rebuild their army to a higher degree than European forces are right now. We hear constantly about ammunition and weapons shortages across Europe, failure to meet requirements for what Ukraine needs to fight back, and a general unwillingness from the population to even fight. Russia has oil, gas, and mineral wealth, which will always be of importance to Europe whenever this war does end. Europe is so reliant, that whatever words are spoken, the EU has spent more on Russian energy than it has sent in aid to Ukraine.

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