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This isn't true, and I know it by what I'm working on and sorry, I'm not at liberty to give more details. But I see how untrue this is, every working hour of every day.
You say more details as if you gave any to begin with...
AI coding tools can reduce productivity
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Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
what about the $ you make? isn't that an indicator? you've probably made more than me, so you are more successful while both of us might be doing the same thing.
I don't think there's much of a correlation there.
The asymptote approached by software engineering is GDP=$0 because all problems are solved by maximally efficient automation. Never gonna happen, but progress on that path is a decent proxy for efficiency.
Too often the job is about introducing problems that are good for some company's bottom line, but that's the opposite of efficiency.
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#243Perhaps is difficult to measure personal productivity in programming, but we can measure that we will run more slowly with 10 kg. in our backpack. I propose this procedure: The SWE selects 10 tasks and guesses some measure of their complexity (time to finish them) and then he randomly select 5 to be done with AI and the rest without. He performs them and finally calculates a deviation D. The deviation D = D_0 - D_1 w…
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#244> To compute the actual speedup – or, rather, slowdown! – provided by AI tools, the researchers compared the developers’ predictions of how long each task would take to the measured completion time. I'm sorry, but it feels to me like this research has only proven that developers tend to underestimate how long a task is supposed to take, with or without AI. In no way did they actually measure how much faster a specifi…
You have two tasks:
- Task 1 - 3h
- Task 2 - 1h
You ask the dev to estimate both.Then you randomly tell the dev, ok do Task 1 without AI, and Task 2 with AI.
Then you measure the actual time it took.
Their estimate for AI task missed the mark by 19%, but those without AI were done 20% faster then estimated.
At the time of estimating they didn't know if the task would need to be done with AI or not.
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#245What if this is true? And then we as a developer community are focused on the wrong thing to increase productivity? Like what if by focusing on LLMs for productivity we just reinforce old-bad habits, and get into a local maxima... And even worse, what if being stuck with current so-so patterns, languages, etc means we don't innovate in language design, tooling, or other areas that might actually be productivity wins?
We were stuck near local maxima since before LLM's came on the scene. I figure the same concentration of innovators are gonna innovate, now LLM assisted, and the same concentration of best-practice folk are gonna best-practice--now LLM assisted. Local maxima might get sticker, but greener pastures will be found more quickly than ever. I expect it'll balance.
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is DB2 Admin more productive than Java dev on the same seniority? What about countries? In my Poland $25k would be an amazing salary for a senior while in USA fresh grads can earn $80k. Are they more productive? ... at the same time, given same seniority, job and location - I'd be willing to say it wouldn't be a bad heuristic.
It doesn't undermine your point, but if you mean gross yearly wage $25k is not an amazing salary for senior software developers in Poland (I guess it depends where in Poland).
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#247I've been using Claude Code heavily for about 3 months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm between 10 and 20 times more productive while using it. How I measure performance is how many features I can implement in a given period of time. It's nice that people have done studies and have opinions, but for me, it's 10x to 20x better.
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#248Arguably, on a single coding task, I don't really move that much faster. However, I have much, much more brain capacity left both while coding and when I'm done coding.
This has two knock on effects:
1. Most simply, I'm productive for longer. Since LLMs are doing a lot of the heavy lifting, my brain doesn't have to constantly think. This is especially important in time periods where I'd previously have too little mental energy to think deeply about code.
2. I can do other things while coding. Well, right now, Cursor is cycling on a simple task while I type this. Most days, though, I'm responding to customers, working on documentation/planning, or doing some other non-coding task that's critical to my workflows. This is actually where I find my biggest productivity gains. Instead of coding THEN X, I can now do coding WITH X.
Re: AI coding tools can reduce productivity
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
what about the $ you make? isn't that an indicator? you've probably made more than me, so you are more successful while both of us might be doing the same thing.
Is DB2 Admin more productive than Java dev on the same seniority? What about countries? In my Poland $25k would be an amazing salary for a senior while in USA fresh grads can earn $80k. Are they more productive? ... at the same time, given same seniority, job and location - I'd be willing to say it wouldn't be a bad heuristic.