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Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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But isn't it quite useless to backup WA when it's all encrypted and you can't backup the key?

The backup key is shown the first time you enable encryption.

Would you happen to have good resources detailing the process?

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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The fact that Google would find it to be convenient for the line to be blurry doesn't mean that anybody looking at it in good faith sees the line as blurry.

The fact that someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're operating in bad faith.

It does when it that person is taking a charitable view of anything Google has done since about 2011.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Google is an advertising company. Apple is a consumer hardware company. Who would you trust more with your data? It’s that simple (irrespective of the ground truth, simply referring to the optics of it).

Apple is an advertising company. https://ads.apple.com/ Generates billions for Apple and is growing rapidly, since they implemented increasingly aggressive "privacy features" to block their competitors.

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Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Not exactly related, but does anyone know what's the best way to backup WhatsApp data on an Android phone without using Google drive these days?

There is a WhatsApp folder on your phone, which contains the database of messages. You can just backup the entire folder by any standard backup method, including copy pasting.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Because people collectively vote for the ad model over the subscription model.

> Because people collectively vote for the ad model over the subscription model You make it sound as if those were the only two options available..

Right, I left out the donation model because less than 1% of users ever actually donate anything. It's hardly worth even considering for vast majority of businesses.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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The fact that Google would find it to be convenient for the line to be blurry doesn't mean that anybody looking at it in good faith sees the line as blurry.

The fact that someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're operating in bad faith.

At first I thought the fact the advertising-and-tracking company needed access to their competitor's encrypted messenger was related to the tracking that is their core business model.

But it's unfair to assume bad faith like that.

Perhaps they merely need access to the encrypted messages in order to provide a better user experience, by serving more relevant and better personalised adverts?

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I’ve not read this; do you have any links?

https://www.cultofmac.com/news/former-apple-engineer-explain...

That doesn’t provide any nontrivial insights—yes, Siri is built on keyword detection, but it’s also much older. But why are they having such a hard time creating an LLM-based Siri 2.0? Still no clue.

Re: Google can now read your WhatsApp messages

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Because people collectively vote for the ad model over the subscription model.

people didn't vote for shit, if they could vote they'd vote for no ads and no cost. companies like google destroyed this option on purpose. there is no reason why the vast majority of apps and services online can't be both free and ad free. if i look for tetris on the app store it's literally impossible to find a version that's both ad free and free of purchases despite the fact that i know there's at minimum 100 opt…

I have no idea how in the world you think that could ever work in a general sense.

Things require labor. Labor costs money. Ergo, people giving you stuff require money, somehow. A tetris clone requires so little labour, that a well-off person with too much time (ergo labor) on their hands can give you that for free, but that's not scalable for 99% of important stuff.

Because capitalism, they also require more money, YoY, than last year, meaning they can't just make a steady stream of profit. They need more profit every year.

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