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Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Re: Mini NASes marry NVMe to Intel's efficient chip

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Post by dotancohen »

sandreas wrote: post #239
dotancohen wrote: post #238

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I have had two Sandisk 2.5 inch SSDS just suddenly fail. No warning that I could discern, and no way to recover afterwards. Both were while running Debian variants as a / partition, luckily I keep /home on a separate partition. Any idea what that failure mode could have been? It worries me tremendously to keep data on an SSD now.

I had a Samsung 960 Pro nvme fail without warning, that was even more concerning Then shortly after I had a BTRFS fail without failing Hardware on another drive Just backup your stuff with 3-2-1 strategy and you're OK. I'd recommend a combination of syncthing, restic and ZFS (with zfs-auto-snapshot, sanoid or zrepl) and maybe bluray (as readonly medium)

I'm considering Amazon Glacier for offline backup. Any opinions, alternatives, or other advice welcome.

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Post by sandreas »

dotancohen wrote: post #241
sandreas wrote: post #239

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I had a Samsung 960 Pro nvme fail without warning, that was even more concerning Then shortly after I had a BTRFS fail without failing Hardware on another drive Just backup your stuff with 3-2-1 strategy and you're OK. I'd recommend a combination of syncthing, restic and ZFS (with zfs-auto-snapshot, sanoid or zrepl) and maybe bluray (as readonly medium)

I'm considering Amazon Glacier for offline backup. Any opinions, alternatives, or other advice welcome.

Isn't Amazon Glacier cloud based?

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Post by dotancohen »

sandreas wrote: post #242
dotancohen wrote: post #241

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I'm considering Amazon Glacier for offline backup. Any opinions, alternatives, or other advice welcome.

Isn't Amazon Glacier cloud based?

Yes, I mean for off site backup. It's too late to edit that comment.

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Post by j45 »

acranox wrote: post #120
ndiddy wrote: post #109

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Another thing is that unless you have a very specific need for SSDs (such as heavily random access focused workloads, very tight space constraints, or working in a bumpy environment), mechanical hard drives are still way more cost effective for storing lots of data than NVMe. You can get a manufacturer refurbished 12TB hard drive with a multi-year warranty for ~$120, while even an 8TB NVMe drive goes for at least $50…

Don’t forget about power. If you’re trying to build a low power NAS, those hdds idle around 5w each, while the ssd is closer to 5mw. Once you’ve got a few disks, the HDDs can account for half the power or more. The cost penalty for 2TB or 4TB ssds is still big, but not as bad as at the 8TB level.

5w to mw is huge, but at the same time the total cost of ownership over 3/5 years depending on the cost of the hardware may not pay off in a 5w spread, especially with SSD premiums.

When it comes to self hosted servers for example, using tiny computers as servers often gets you massive power savings that do make a difference compared to buying off-lease rack mount servers that can idle in the hundreds of watts.

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Post by UltraSane »

sandreas wrote: post #175
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Storing backups and movies on NVMe ssds is just a waste of money.

Absolutely. I don't store movies at all but if I would, I would add a USB-based solution that could be turned off via shelly plug / tasmota remotely.

Why would you need to disconnect it? Are you worried about ransomware?

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Post by mrheosuper »

guerby wrote: post #81

Related question: does anyone know of an usb-c powerbank that can be effectively used as UPS? That is to say is able to be charged while maintaining power to load (obviously with rate of charge greater by a few watts than load). Most models I find reuse the most powerful usb-c port as ... recharging port so unusable as DC UPS. Context: my home server is my old https://frame.work motherboard running proxmox VE with 64…

many powerbank with 2 usb-c port and support charging passthrough

Check some models from cuktech and anker

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Post by mrheosuper »

wpm wrote: post #164
9x39 wrote: post #108

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>What in the WORLD is preventing these systems from getting at least 10gbps interfaces? Price and price. Like another commenter said, there is at least one 10Gbe mini NAS out there, but it's several times more expensive. What's the use case for the 10GbE? Is ~200MB/sec not enough? I think the segment for these units is low price, small size, shared connectivity. The kind of thing you tuck away in your house invisibly…

> What's the use case for the 10GbE? Is ~200MB/sec not enough? When I'm talking to an array of NVMe? No where near enough, not when each drive could do 1000MB/s of sequential writes without breaking a sweat.

These nas use nvme because it's small and low power, not because it's fast.

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Post by sixothree »

sandreas wrote: post #202
sixothree wrote: post #197

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I've put all of my surveillance cameras on one volume in _hopes_ that I can let my other volumes spin down. But nope. They spend the vast majority of their day spinning.

Did you consider ZFS with L2ARC? The extra caching device might make this possible...

BTW what I mean is that even with my attempts to limit activity, there seems to be enough network activity to wake these drives pretty much continuously.

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Post by fnord77 »

sandreas wrote: post #173
epistasis wrote: post #116

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I'm interested in learning more about your setup. What sort of system did you put together for $350? Is it a normal ATX case? I really like the idea of running proxmox but I don't know how to get something cheap!

My current config: Fujitsu D3417-B12 Intel Xeon 1225 64GB ecc WD SN850x 2TB mATX case Pico PSU 150 For backup I use a 2TB enterprise HDD and ZFS send For snapshotting i use zfs-auto-snapshot So really nothing recommendable for buying today. You could go for this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006369887180.html Or an old Fujitsu Celsius W580 Workstation with a Bojiadafast ATX Power Supply Adapter, if you need har…

does the bios support S3 sleep and wake on lan?

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Post by fnord77 »

UltraSane wrote: post #124
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these little boxes are perfect for my home My use case is a backup server for my macs and cold storage for movies. 6x2Tb drives will give me a 9Tb raid-5 for $809 ($100 each for the drives, $209 for the nas). Very quiet so I can have it in my living room plugged into my TV. I have no room for a big noisy server.

Storing backups and movies on NVMe ssds is just a waste of money.

not if you value silence and compactness
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