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The Hollow Men of Hims

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Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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>The real tragedy is not that Hims exists, but that it works so perfectly. Every day, thousands of people choose their compounded weight-loss drugs over FDA-approved alternatives, their combination ED pills over established single-ingredient treatments, their algorithmic consultations over actual medical care. They make these choices not because the products are better, but because the entire experience has been opti…

I don't understand US medical schools in the least. My son is interested in medicine, and I have sat through presentations where the admissions officers describe how they pick the student that has the best sob story from dozens of overqualified candidates. Then the poor jerk that is selected will work 20hr days out of med school in residency and finally patients will wait weeks to months to see them because there are not enough physicians (or they will see someone with a foreign degree). How does any of that make sense? Why not admit a couple more kids, stop causing overtired residents to make mistakes and address the shortage?

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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post #163

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I hate subscriptions and dark patterns and the like as much as anyone, but I am not sure putting a six-month pause on your subscription and getting billed in month 7 is “out of the blue.”

WTF? Why offer a "pause" on your subscription at all? The only reason to do that is to trick customers. If the company was honest, they'd get confirmation before resuming the subscription. I hate that companies use sleazy practices like this all the time, and then people are like "well it's your fault for not reading the fine print".

Pausing unlocks bulk pricing for customers taking meds as-needed (ED pills etc.). I'm not sure about Hims pricing since they require a questionare/login, but similar sites offer a sizable discount for larger quantities, and then it's just pause/unpause as needed.

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

#245

>The real tragedy is not that Hims exists, but that it works so perfectly. Every day, thousands of people choose their compounded weight-loss drugs over FDA-approved alternatives, their combination ED pills over established single-ingredient treatments, their algorithmic consultations over actual medical care. They make these choices not because the products are better, but because the entire experience has been opti…

I don't understand US medical schools in the least. My son is interested in medicine, and I have sat through presentations where the admissions officers describe how they pick the student that has the best sob story from dozens of overqualified candidates. Then the poor jerk that is selected will work 20hr days out of med school in residency and finally patients will wait weeks to months to see them because there are…

Unfortunately, the AMA is a cartel of doctors that lobbies to put limits on government-funded residency slots to keep salaries high. [1]

1. https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/03/15/ama-scope-of-p...

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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post #181

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That included lab work, talking to the front desk people, the nurse who took the blood, the GP, the drivers, the janitors, the record-keepers, the lab techs, and the calibration work on equipment and who knows who else. That is way, way more than 15 minutes of work.

I recently got a physical exam, including ultra sound, two urine samples, and bloodwork, at a private doctor in Austria and it cost 150€. You Americans are crazy. I'm not sure how a physical would be more than 15 minutes of work. Lab techs? Standard blood tests are all automated, the most complicated part is putting the stickers on the vials. Yes, someone needs to calibrate the machine, but the machine processes 1000…

Americans can order their own lab tests for pretty cheap as well. In regards to pricing, the overhead for billing is about 1/3rd of the price, though not relevant in the poster's situation. It is part of why some prices here are so inflated though.

If a patient goes to see their doctor at a major hospital, part of that bill goes to pay for uninsured patients in the ER. Hospitals in the US by law have to treat everyone who come to the emergency room, which results in a lot of losses for hospitals that they have to make up for by charging higher prices on other services.

> And you really don't need to hire a driver to get a box of samples to the lab at the end of the day.

Smaller doctor's offices do their labs offsite, in the US just a couple of companies do the majority of blood work, as part of the contract with the lab, a driver comes by and picks up samples. In the great name of outsourcing, I imagine this driver works for a separate company as well, so now there is 2x outsourcing overhead, once for the lab, and again for the transport company. For doctor's offices that cannot justify their own lab, this makes some sense.

FWIW in my city at least, the majority of doctors are affiliated with large hospitals. They either work in a large hospital, in a satellite campus, or have an affiliate relationship (which from what I can tell just means medical records are automatically transferred over).

I go to a "smaller" office, it is a 3 story campus that is the satellite office of a huge hospital nearby. They do some of their own lab work and outsource other stuff. The hospital network is publicly owned and accordingly much nicer to deal with than many of the horror stories I hear online and from friends. (also the prices are reasonable and they always give me a price sheet up front of what everything will cost, which isn't always the case for some doctors...)

> I just checked, the price for a standard blood panel at a local lab is 14€. It's really not a complicated procedure.

Is that a 100% unsubsidized price?

In the US, cash price for a Comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP) is just $50. The same labs that the hospitals outsource to actually offer direct to consumer tests at really reasonable rates.

I just checked my hospitals cash rates:

A yearly checkup for an existing patient is $48.

Lab work is $48 (a $2 discount!)

Urine tests are another $20.

So in summary, OP got ripped off by their doctor's office.

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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post #15

> Regulatory arbitrage disguised as innovation, dressed in the fashionable vocabulary of patient empowerment while serving no master but the quarterly earnings call. No masters except the patients that are literally being empowered to make choices about their medical care and are paying a substantial premium (in many cases) to do so. I would happily be empowered by my doctor and UnitedHealthcare instead, but sadly th…

I'm confused. An insurance company cannot reject a prescription. They can only reject paying for it. So if you're paying for it with Hims why wouldn't you be willing to pay for the medication the doctor prescribes to you if the insurance company is refusing to pay for it?

I’m not sure what exactly the issue is. The doctor prescribes and the prescription never gets filled. I assume the insurance said no and the pharmacy just decided not to fill it, they’re pretty inconsistent about what information they give out.

Meanwhile with hims I order it and I get it.

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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post #23
post #15

> Regulatory arbitrage disguised as innovation, dressed in the fashionable vocabulary of patient empowerment while serving no master but the quarterly earnings call. No masters except the patients that are literally being empowered to make choices about their medical care and are paying a substantial premium (in many cases) to do so. I would happily be empowered by my doctor and UnitedHealthcare instead, but sadly th…

Tretinoin is easily prescribed by seeing a dermatologist. What do you mean it’s a nightmare to get even with a prescription? I think a tube of cream cost like $10 at Costco. You don’t even need to use your own insurance to buy things from the pharmacy as long as you have a prescription. I never once had a problem filling it before I switched to Accutane.

My doctor keeps prescribing it and the pharmacy keeps not filling it. I’m not really sure what’s going wrong, I haven’t taken the time to debug the situation. I shouldn’t need to, and I’ve never needed to with hims.

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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post #145

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$50 + health insurance? I saw my PCP after my health insurance had unknowingly lapsed and a physical was ~$1k with just some basic blood work.

How people justify paying $1000 for probably less than 15 minutes of work is beyond me.

Well I didn't know until I got sent a bill.

Re: The Hollow Men of Hims

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Just to add, for anyone considering using minoxidil and/or finasteride - I can highly recommend both for the recovery of my hairloss. But - read up in the side effects and potential risks, they can both cause other issues in some people, and for me it took a while to find the right finasteride dose. Another downside is oral finasteride use means I can no longer give blood.

Did it fill in your crown area??

Finasteride alone won't reverse that much, it stops the path for testosterone becoming DHT (the cause of androgenic alopecia). Taken orally, it stops or slows all hair loss.

Minoxadil increases blood flow and restores the natural growth cycle lengths of weakened follicles. This is applied topically, and promotes hair growth pretty much anywhere - beard, crown, temples. You can take it orally, and it will promote hair growth everywhere (more body hair). However, it can't fix follicles already dormant or scarred over. So if things are already bald, it may not give the results you want.

A word of warning that about 5% of those who take Minoxadil experience a shedding period where it gets worse. Because it restores normal hair follicles growth cycles, this includes the process of pushing out old hairs. This is not permanent and will last, at most, a month. This is why most providers like "Keeps" will try to sell in batches of 3 months.

In 2026, a new drug will finish phase 3 human trials. That one targets (IIRC) stem cells and can restore even advanced hair loss where the follicles are dormant or dead. Very exciting!

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