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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by notjoemama »

razemio wrote: post #165
Aldipower wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As it is correct, that they are virtually not in power, framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. Just because they are not anti-russia, like every other party, does not automatically mean that they are pro-russia. AfD and BSW together got more then 25% of all votes. So, you are correct, they virtually are not in power, but they have some real power just by being there. This HN post here is the best exam…

I think anti-nato, anti eu, pro russian gas and anti urkraine war aid qualify as pro russian. I get your point, but I think you are wrong? Just read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement AfD has SO many connections to the Kremel. At least a big part of AfD is obiously influenced by russian agenda. BSW is a different topic. They might just align with many points russia likes, but you can not be s…

Is there a rating site or alignment test for wiki articles and their authors? I'm aware of the inherent left bias on wiki and while I still find it informative I am forced (because of their behavior) to consider the subtextual implications in the language they use as well as what is willingly (and sometimes very intentionally) addressed or omitted. it would be nice to have a wiki-bias chart like the media bias chart.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

tehjoker wrote: post #202
Eupolemos wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and alliances when the other nation is arming like there is no tomorrow is being pro getting invaded. It is not complicated.

Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

Uhh... Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean. Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by orbital-decay »

andy_ppp wrote: post #212
orbital-decay wrote: post #77

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Only those who don't want to see certain things and mirror the Russian propaganda line ("we will never know the truth"). This case is pretty thoroughly investigated, down to the names, timelines, and interviews with people who did this.

Okay, you’re making some claims here, I’m not saying you’re wrong but could you provide some high quality references that contain proof of this?

What's high quality to you? I personally don't consider WaPo, WSJ, and alikes high quality in this case as their investigations are mostly summaries of authorities claims/leaks and OSINT types' findings with little to add, but here you are. [1][2][3] I don't save everything about this, there's a ton more detail floating around, nearly on the same level as MH17.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/11/...

[2] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/nord-stream-wie-e...

[3] https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/nord-stream-pipeline-explos...

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by lawn »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #235
tock wrote: post #183

Not sure why people call this Russian propaganda. India flew in lots of their gold too recently. Central banks have been increasing their exposure to gold a lot recently as well. If trust in the US is low then it makes sense to move your reserves. Countries are rightfully fearful of their reserves being frozen for whatever reason.

> for whatever reason And the biggest of that is: —— "Look, I don't know... I really don't know. We're talking about a country's gold, very valuable, very beautiful. And we might freeze it. Or we might not. I mean, who knows? It's a big decision, a very big decision. Some people say, 'Freeze it, Mr. President! It'll be great, the best!' Others, and good people, they say, 'Maybe not, maybe we do something else.' But I…

I can't tell if this is a joke or if it's something Trump has said, and that is scary.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by holowoodman »

namibj wrote: post #117
holowoodman wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can nowadays look at a 3D-plot of internal density in an X-Ray computed tomography. On the chance that somebody mixed up an alloy that has the exact same density and X-Ray density as gold, you can try X-Ray absorption spectra which depend on nuclear resonances of different nuclei, so would conclusively prove presence and amount of non-Gold material. And you can do activation analysis, where you activate the ingot…

You know slightly different NMR machines are used to scan entire humans, right? They only really differ in scan pattern for this aspect. That's IIUC just a software change.

Afaik not really. The ones that scan humans are tuned for a specific proton resonance frequency, so they basically measure hydrogen density. But you get a 3D-Plot because they do a computed tomography of that density.

The chemistry NMRs are spectrographs, so you dial through a whole frequency spectrum and look at the reflected/transmitted signal. With that you get different peaks for different nuclei plus some deviations for crystal or molecular structure.

But I have to admit, that I'm a little rusty on that topic, so you might be right anyways.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by Arainach »

notjoemama wrote: post #241
razemio wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think anti-nato, anti eu, pro russian gas and anti urkraine war aid qualify as pro russian. I get your point, but I think you are wrong? Just read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement AfD has SO many connections to the Kremel. At least a big part of AfD is obiously influenced by russian agenda. BSW is a different topic. They might just align with many points russia likes, but you can not be s…

Is there a rating site or alignment test for wiki articles and their authors? I'm aware of the inherent left bias on wiki and while I still find it informative I am forced (because of their behavior) to consider the subtextual implications in the language they use as well as what is willingly (and sometimes very intentionally) addressed or omitted. it would be nice to have a wiki-bias chart like the media bias chart.

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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by holowoodman »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #242
tehjoker wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

Uhh... Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean. Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

Don't you know that the US forced Russia to invade? /s

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #242
tehjoker wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

Uhh... Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean. Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

> Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

Apparently, many Ukrainian men would. Or maybe they'd seen it like a mere change in upper management, initially. Otherwise the Ukrainian government would not have felt it necessary to forbid them from leaving the country or to press/force them into military service.

(And, frankly, the people affected are the only ones whose opinion should matter in this situation.)

> Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean

It's always easy to spill other people's statistical blood from the other side of the planet.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by hiergiltdiestfu »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #209
FpUser wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So repatriating your own property is now pro-Russian propaganda? Unless country is defenseless what is wrong with keeping one's things at one's place

In this case, if you’re American. It signals a loss of trust in them which is an impossible absurdity if your a priori is that America is the eternal good and only future for us all. Can’t have that.

After skimming through the comments derailed into AfD/BSW discussions, I'm happy to find this comment, because as a non-extremist German, this is the reason I want the German gold out of the USA. Right now, it makes as much sense as storing the gold in North Korea. It will just be held hostage or stolen by the local dictator.
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