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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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And yet they hold every single branch of government.

And this was their chance to demonstrate that they could govern, maybe even grow their gains with some demographics. They're not doing that at all.

Like every other time? I'm not holding my breath. They're not even bothering to condemn a political assassination anymore.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Good strategy if voting is still allowed in 2028, not super useful if political violence bubbles over into a coup or such. The scale of the protests is encouraging, but I remember the mass protests under Bush were about as large, and the war continued and he stayed in power. Organization needs to do something with the mass of people who are out in the streets to direct them.

Why did you pick Marx? Rhetoric doesn't match. Marx literally said that the only for the working class to overthrow their oppressors (business owners) was to make them not a live. He was very radical.

I find Capital to be a fairly moderate look at the situation - a lot of it is essentially an economics textbook. Marx was almost an optimist compared to the power capital has today, if you look at his predictions.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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> The ununiformed, masked men that refuse to identify themselves and won't show any legal documents have unilateral authority and cannot be questioned. Do not resist. Again, Brad Lander was not being detained. He had nothing to do with anything. That's not "resistance", it's just interference.

Brad Lander saw unidentified, masked, ununiformed men who refused to speak, had no legal documentation, and would not identify themselves to anyone carrying a man against his will. I hope it's not against the rules to swear, but this cannot be stated clearly enough: That's called a fucking kidnapping. Did you not hear that someone pretending to be LEO attempted (and succeed in one case) the political assassination of…

> I hope it's not against the rules to swear

Perhaps then, you should go ahead and read the rules?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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post #216

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The argument being offered is that if the police follow the law, the problem goes away and there’s no impact on legitimate law enforcement activity.

So until every police officer follows the law, everywhere, in every instance, you believe anyone should be entitled to obstruct arrests if they disagree with the law?

That’s a great example of a straw man argument. I especially like the way you start by acknowledging that the question is official misconduct but by the end of the sentence have flipped it to blame people for expecting law enforcement officers to follow the law.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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post #201

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And yet they hold every single branch of government.

The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then. The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again. Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years. Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular peopl…

I mean, I'm voting and I'll tell everyone to vote. Support my preferences publicly, of course.

But given the combined discrepancy between Harris vs the Attorney General in every single county of NC, the Elon contact for those voting machines, and Trump saying it out loud, I'm kind of at the point I'm not sure if the last election was legitimate. I don't have a lot of hope for 2026 or 228 since we're already past "the US military is deployed against its own citizens and make an extra-constitutonal arrest" stage with no consequences. Also the "disobey the Supreme Court" stage. But I guess we'll see and it'll be a great day to be proven wrong.

Though, I hardly even called America a democracy before that given the intense Gerrymandering, a lack of an established right/obligation to vote, and completely disproportionate representation in legislation. The whole system is a joke in it's design.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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post #201

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The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then. The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again. Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years. Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular peopl…

Well said - this is exactly what we have to do. The Blue Wave is coming - every state.

Like the Blue Wave I was promised in 2024? When we took the house or senate or presidency? Invigorated, of course, by the Presidential candidate threatening war on allies, the revocation of addition rights (following the death of RvW), etc?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Why do you continue to comment on this post then?

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That is a weird thing to take from, "yo man, you seem hypocritical in this very post". Or do you think you're on the_donald or something?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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The actual title of the acticle is "Brad Lander Detained by Masked Federal Agents Inside Immigration Court". Contrary to the current title here on HN, Lander was not arrested for asking to see a warrant; TFA states the opposite, "It wasn’t immediately clear what charges, if any, the mayoral candidate will face. A spokesperson for ICE didn’t immediately return a request for comment." If an event is so important to kno…

We eventually changed it. Submitted title was "ICE arrests NYC Comptroller because he asked to see a warrant".

Submitters: please use the original title unless it is misleading or linkbait. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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> "I know I will get due process and that my rights will be protected," Lander said. Huh? Has he been sleeping under a rock for the last six months?

Well, read the next paragraph. It's clearly an acknowledgment of privilege and an appeal: “I know I will get due process and that my rights will be protected,” Lander said to a throng of supporters who gathered spontaneously in Foley Square that evening after his release. “But Edgardo will sleep in an ICE detention facility God knows where tonight…he has been stripped of his due process rights in a country that is su…

So I ask this question in good faith: What are the due process rights that have been taken away? What is this administration doing different from the prior ones in regards to detaining suspected illegal immigrants? While I don't doubt there could be something, I haven't seen a coherent answer to this question.

I am happy to change my mind, but in this situation all I see is a political candidate interfering with federal agents and getting arrested for it. I see lots of really questionable things happening, like these agents wearing masks and dressing in hoodies, but mentioning that does not address the due process question. If someone could address this point directly and without hyperbole, I am eager to be better informed about it.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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post #181

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Your choice of words reveals a lot. Don't manipulate words to serve your conclusion. They are not "thugs". They are federal officers. ICE did not behave "lawlessly". They are upholding federal law. In fact, it was Brad Lander who acted lawlessly. This constant manipulation of words is tiring. I don't find what happened "horrifying" at all. Anyone impeding the law should face its consequences.

> They are not "thugs". They are federal officers. are they? maybe they should identify themselves as such with names, badge numbers, and warrants? > They are upholding federal law. they clearly aren't given the number of court cases the Trump administration is rapidly losing related to its deportation activity. > This constant manipulation of words is tiring this constant sanewashing of cruelty is tiring. you should…

> I hope you eventually look back on this part of your life with shame about your beliefs and who and what you defended.

I suspect his post will read as a calm and level-headed analysis 10-20 years from now. He showed no support or protest against any political policy.

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