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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

SlowTao wrote: post #225
bearjaws wrote: post #213

All this focus on low power gaming makes me think Apple wants to get in on the Steam Deck hype.

Apple is in a reasonably good place to make gaming work for them. Their hardware across the board is fairly powerful (definetly not top end), they have a good API stack especially with Metal. And they have systems at all levels including TV. If they were to just make a standard controller or just say "PS5 dualshock is our choice" they could have a nice little slice for themselves.

As I understand it, Apple has a long history of entitlement and burning bridges with every major game developer while making collaboration extremely painful. They were in a much better place to make gaming work 10 years ago when major gaming studios were still interested in working with them.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by niteshade »

marviel wrote: post #25
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

yeah -- I saw it's built on "open source foundations", do you know what project this is?

Seems to be this: https://github.com/apple/containerization

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by wmf »

WD-42 wrote: post #223
wmf wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be better for the OrbStack guy if they bought it.

Apple sees some nice code under a pushover license and they just can’t help themselves.

Interestingly it looks like Apple has rewritten much of the Docker stack in Swift rather than using existing Go code.

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Post by Klonoar »

teruakohatu wrote: post #200

> Every Apple Developer Program membership includes 200GB of Apple hosting capacity for the App Store. Apple-Hosted Background Assets can be submitted separately from an app build. Is this the first time Apple has offered something substantial for the App store fees beyond the SDK/Xcode and basic app distribution? Is it a way to give developers a reason to limit distribution to only the official App Store, or will th…

Huh. Does this cover if you use public CloudKit databases...?

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by PhilipRoman »

vips7L wrote: post #153
msgodel wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they implemented the Linux syscall interface in their kernel they absolutely could.

Aren't the syscalls a constant moving target? Didn't even Microsoft fail at keeping up with them in WSL?

They're not really a moving target (since some distros ship ancient kernels, most components will handle lack of new syscalls gracefully), but the surface is still pretty big. A single ioctl() or write() syscall could do a billion different things and a lot of software depends on small bits of this functionality, meaning you gotta implement 99% of it to get everything working.

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Post by froggit »

tensor wrote: post #207
hackyhacky wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Linux container images generally contain the kernel. No, containers differ from VMs precisely in requiring dependency on the host kernel.

Hmm, so they do. I assumed because you pulled in a linux distro that the kernel was from that distro is used too, but I guess not. Perhaps they have done some sort of improvement where they have one linux kernel running via the hypervisor that all containers use. Still can't see them trying to emulate linux calls, but who knows.

> I assumed because you pulled in a linux distro that the kernel was from that distro is used too,

Thst's how docker works on WSL2, run it on top of a virtualised linux kernal. WSL2 is pretty tightly integrated with windows itself, stil a linux vm though. It seems kinda weird for apple to reinvent the wheel for that kind of thing for containers.

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Post by tough »

jjice wrote: post #17
bitpush wrote: post #13

What model are they bundling? Something apple-custom? How capable is it?

Apple has their own models under the hood I believe. I remember from like a year or two ago they had an open line called "ELM" (Efficient Language Model), but I'm not sure if that's what they're actually using. I am excited to see what the benchmarks look like though, once it's live.

they also use their ANE and CoreML for smaller on-device stuff

https://huggingface.co/apple

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Post by aequitas »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

There is already a paid alternative, Orbstack, for macOS which puts Docker for Mac to shame in terms of usability, features and performance. And then there are open alternatives like Colima.
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