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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by arielcostas »

ipaddr wrote: post #187
hirako2000 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud flare even offers a CDN for npm libraries. it feels like incapable "experts" are placed in position or authority for something like this to happen.

Why would anyone use a cloudflare js cdn for anything but a toy site? Those are bad decisions by developers.

They are, but that doesn't mean it's their fault when websites fail because LaLiga decided to block an entire ISP. That's pure victim blaming. "Oh, what did you expect when you rely on a third party and another company wields the power of blocking anything without a specific court order?"

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by cassianoleal »

ranger_danger wrote: post #220
cassianoleal wrote: post #203

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If you mean bootlegs, then it's been big business for way longer than the 90s.

Electronic bootlegs, most likely they meant.

In my hometown there used to be at least 2 shops (yes, shops) that sold bootlegged/pirate software. Mostly games but they had all sorts of business software as well. This was earlier than the 90s.

The shops themselves were not in the software business. One of them was specialised in turntable needles, and it was pretty popular. You had to go to the counter and specifically ask for "the menu" in order to access the "other side" of the business. It was an open secret though, as there was a lot of traffic in the shop for "the menu". You'd choose what you wanted, paid for your copy and leave with a bunch of floppy disks with it. They charged extra for the actual disks but you could also bring your own and only pay for the service.

If you mean electronic music bootlegs, then I don't see why the media or the format is that relevant. It's still just regular bootleg, and it's been popular since whenever copying and selling music was made possible.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by razakel »

fidotron wrote: post #73
vessenes wrote: post #39

I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…

> 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. And DDoS protection. Sports broadcast piracy has a history of serious organized crime involvement, and then some, such as https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/13/murdoch_company_crack... where the allegation was NDS did the hacking and leaked the keys of the rival tech to various mob groups for exploitation.

I'd prefer to deal with the mafia than Rupert fucking Murdoch.

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Post by razakel »

JambalayaJimbo wrote: post #215
jedberg wrote: post #155

How come no one is mentioning the obvious solution -- LaLiga needs to make their product as easy to access as piracy. If they offered worldwide streaming of the matches available on an easy interface at a reasonable price, then none of this would be a problem. Piracy is almost never about the price -- it's almost always about the availability. Especially when it comes to live sports.

This solution clearly does not actually work. Musicians make pittances off of streaming in comparison to the money they made with physical media. Hollywood has seen strikes and streaming services continually raise prices.

Musicians make very little off physical media - it's merchandise that brings the money in.

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Post by danaris »

Spivak wrote: post #195
danaris wrote: post #188

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> This is just barking up the wrong tree and it applies to everything that people use. You're missing the part where it's a single company , not just "the entire anti-DDoS infrastructure", that's being talked about here. It would be perfectly possible (no idea how practical offhand) to have an entire ecosystem of competing CDNs all doing the same thing that Cloudflare does, rather than just Cloudflare making those de…

There is an ecosystem of competing CDNs. Blocking any one CDN necessarily impacts all the sites hosted on that CDN. This is a function of being a webhost with multiple customers not being Cloudflare specifically.

Except that the problem here is that Cloudflare, specifically, is so widespread that blocking it is highly likely to block many very important things.

If the ecosystem were truly more competitive, it would be much more likely that, for instance, if you went to block the CDN serving one particular football piracy group, it would not block half your government websites at the same time.

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Post by brookst »

neilv wrote: post #226
brookst wrote: post #213

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Great, please start a service to do this. From my perspective, it can’t be done. I would be thrilled to be wrong!

I would be thrilled if this one pest control company stopped kicking puppies. I bet they could figure out a way to check for fleas that doesn't involve kicking puppies. But I don't want to get into the flea-checking business myself.

“I’m pretty sure they’re doing it wrong but can’t be bothered to figure out a better way” is not super persuasive.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by lifestyleguru »

Football is the cancer on European societies and economies. From low level hooligans literally bullying and beating children, to high level infuence on the broadcasting infrastructure. Sell it all to Saudis for billions of trillions and ship the football stadiums overseas as a bonus.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by lifestyleguru »

hirako2000 wrote: post #56
afarah1 wrote: post #34

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In Brazil it is not uncommon for fans to organize protests, sometimes violent, when a club starts performing poorly due to perceived slack on the players. At the same time, seemingly more pressing political issues often go unnoticed. It's beyond me how some people get more riled up by the sport, not being a sports person myself.

It's designed for this purpose. Rome was organizing those games to thrill the romans, it worked splendid. When political concerns gets on the rise, you pump the show. It works better than your typical propaganda as players become heroes, managers and clubs make great money. Distributors get their cut. The machine is well oiled with solid monetary incentives. Football (and other sports watching): cheap but deep rooted…

If only Italians treated this seriously their economy, job market, and demography. Ooops, it's too late. Enjoy your bloody football.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by xhkkffbf »

razakel wrote: post #243
fidotron wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. And DDoS protection. Sports broadcast piracy has a history of serious organized crime involvement, and then some, such as https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/13/murdoch_company_crack... where the allegation was NDS did the hacking and leaked the keys of the rival tech to various mob groups for exploitation.

I'd prefer to deal with the mafia than Rupert fucking Murdoch.

This is kind of a cute thing that wanna-be-rebels may enjoy trying on, much like some hipster who buys a leather jacket. But you don't. Believe me. You don't.

But for fun, go pay for a legit ticket to watch a movie like "The Godfather" or "The Irishman." Count the dead bodies.

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