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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by mrngm »

barbazoo wrote: post #51
saubeidl wrote: post #15

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At most European universities, it is practice to start lectures cum tempore , i.e. with time , meaning 15 minutes after formal calendar time. It'll say 10:00 c.t. on the event, meaning it actually starts at 10:15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_quarter_(class_timing...

Odd. Over the course of my education I went to 3 different universities in the EU. Classes/lectures/labs, they all started at the advertised time and I’ve never encountered a concept of “c.t” or “s.t”. Not a formal one anyway. People “talked” about the “academic 15 minutes” but like it was a thing of the past.

I've had one side of the same university campus observing the academic 15 minutes, while in one course on the other side did not... after the lunch break. So at 13:30 we started walking towards the other side of the campus (the class was "scheduled" at 13:30), but did not receive a warm welcome 10 minutes later, because the lecturer had already started at the "scheduled" time.

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Post by gnfargbl »

bumby wrote: post #227
gnfargbl wrote: post #210

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I have a medical condition (autoimmune hypothyroid, extreme edition) which I wasn't aware of, but was suffering from severely, during my University years. Waking up was extremely difficult for me and as a result I was often late. At the time I couldn't understand why I seemingly had a problem that nobody else did, and presumed I just lacked self control. Nope, I just needed (a lot) of medication. Your Prof Ramsey wou…

You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.

> You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had.

No. How could he? Instead, I'm pointing out the value of empathy, tolerance and flexibility.

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Post by bumby »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #230
bumby wrote: post #227

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You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.

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First, go read the HN guidelines and understand why your post should be reframed.

>how would you even know you had a condition and werent just a lazy ass?

If you are not able to know, how on Earth do you expect the professor to know you aren’t just lazy or unmotivated?

I’m all for giving people grace. But it strikes me as a weird take to expect people to go around assuming people have some grave condition that they don’t even realize to excuse them from all manner of aberrant behavior.

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Post by skribb »

kzrdude wrote: post #228
BurningFrog wrote: post #163

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Same thing in Sweden in the 1980s

Still is, standard lecture is scheduled for example for 10-12. It starts at 10.15, pause 11.00-11.15, continues until 12.00. So it's neatly split in two 45 minute halves.

This has also been extended to evening events (dinners, balls, parties) in student towns. There “dk” stands for double quarter, so for example 18dk means that an event starts at 18:30, but you may show up from 18:00. And the time between 18:00-18:30 is used for mingling.

It’s a good convention.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by thomascountz »

avg_dev wrote: post #152

tbh i don't feel like the people who scheduled a 10 min meeting did anything wrong. the room is marked as free during that time; they know they will be done in 10 mins; it's a shared resource... what's the point of a schedule for a shared resource if people don't respect it?

I scrolled too far down to find this... Perhaps it's selection bias, but surely there are others that see it this way?

I do have empathy for the people in the room who expected to have 10 more minutes for there meeting, and I'm not a pedantic rule follower, but I expect some grace and self awareness here.

Yes, your meeting was unexpectedly interrupted, but my meeting was unexpectedly delayed. Your problem was caused by a system that—however unfair or inscrutable—we all have to conform to. My problem was caused by ignorance, accident, or malfeasance on your part. If I show respect and empathy in this situation, I expect you show some respect and humility.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by bumby »

gnfargbl wrote: post #242
bumby wrote: post #227

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You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. If you want to hold him accountable for his (unfair?) rules, you need to first hold yourself accountable for getting the disease diagnosed.

> You seem to expect the professor to give you a reasonable accommodation for an affliction you didn’t even realize you had. No. How could he? Instead, I'm pointing out the value of empathy, tolerance and flexibility.

I’m all for empathy, tolerance, and flexibility (to a reasonable degree). I also don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a professor to act on an assumption of illness when the person actually experiencing the symptoms does not hold that assumption. Your perspective makes it seem like the prof is privy to information about your health that you don’t have.

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

ipdashc wrote: post #206
scotty79 wrote: post #189

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In Poland "academic quarter" has a sense that if the teacher didn't show up and it's 15 minues past, the students can leave. They still need to show up for the class at 00 every time and are scolded to varying degree if they showed up after the teacher started which they do right after they arrive.

... so the old American high school "if the teacher is 15 minutes late, we're legally allowed to leave" meme has some roots in reality? Huh.

Never heard of that in high school but my university's student handbook explicitly stated that if the professor did not show up within ten minutes of the scheduled start time, the class was officially cancelled for that day. I only remember that happening once, maybe twice, during my academic career. A few times they cancelled a class ahead of time but no-shows were extremely rare.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by rdtsc »

apercu wrote: post #59
flerchin wrote: post #16

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Heh some people are on time, some people are late. It's seemingly a culture thing, and neither side understands the other. You say "of course nobody will stop at 9:50am" and that is exactly what I would do.

> neither side understands the other. Being late is viewed as rude or lacking respect for others by a lot of people. Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

> Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

No. Not for meetings. What is perceived as rude is making a big deal about it. You think it's a major social faux-pas, they think it's a "meh", and if you make a big deal about it and get offended now you're just being rude for no reason at all.

For personal and informal meetings, yes, being "on time" may mean annoying the host a bit. Why? Because when they say the party starts at 6pm, everyone should understand it as they should start showing up no earlier than 6:30pm etc.

I am not saying I agree or take side with any of these, just presenting it as both sides see it.

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