One reason is that someone’s or a company’s income doesn’t always align perfectly with when they want to buy things. When we're talking about financing the construction of a new downtown office tower, a new apartment complex, or the unexpected maintenance of your business's whole auto fleet, I can absolutely see the argument that credit is a mechanism of greasing the wheels of the economy and allowing things to happe…
That's funny, because food it my primary example for credit in everyday life and is probably the first place you've used it. Whenever you go to a restaurant and pay after eating, you're using credit. Credit is more effective and more ancient as a medium of exchange than money is.
Burrito Now, Pay Later
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
The credit card company still takes a 2-3% cut, which absolutely gets passed on to consumers. You get part of it back in the form of credit card rewards and services (eg. fraud protection, charge backs) but it's still a tax on everything. BNPL is worse, they take 5% and all you get is a small loan for a few weeks. Their whole business model relies on it being "free" for middle-class people who will pay back their loa…
>This is an area where government regulation is actually required, all transaction fees should be disclosed and charged as a surcharge on the base purchase price, whether it's a credit card or BNPL Btw. in Europe the card thing was solved differently. First, most people use debit cards, not credit cards. Second, card fees are capped at 0.2% which makes it actually a cost saving measure (cash processing is not free).
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#243I keep hearing people express dismay that people are financing their lunch, sneakers, or concert tickets. But this has been the norm for a while, no? I can't remember the last time I didn't utilize credit at a restaurant or retail store. If you use credit cards, it doesn't make sense to reflexively admonish people for using BNPL for everyday purchases. To be sure, BNPL is in many ways a predatory innovation. But it i…
Most people pay off a credit card in full every month so it's really just about the convenience. BNPL is similar in fact, most purchases are paid off in installments over 30 days with no interest or late fees charged. As the article covers the merchant pays a slightly higher fee in exchange for slightly better terms than a CC, and customers buy slightly more then they would have otherwise.
According to Google it's about half.
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#244I feel like the comments are misunderstanding what's happening. Historically luxury food has been nice ingredients but now that's everywhere, and what consumers really want is delivered food. They want the thing they want, only made 6 miles away, hand delivered to them and still warm. This is a luxury good, and like many luxury goods may now be financed. Cheap food is not going away; my lunch every day costs ~55 cent…
What are you eating for 55 cents per meal?
Quite a few YouTubers out there show you how to do it
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Food is a basic human need, paying someone to make a burrito for you and then hand deliver it to your house is not. There is no shortage of food in america. In brazil, many people don’t eat meat because it’s too expensive, and get the vast majority of their calories from beans and rice. you can also do this in america, but almost no one does outside of college students because food is cheap enough relative to wages t…
> But it sounds very patronizing to say the “there’s a lot of poor people who don’t understand credit, so we need to prevent them from having access to any so they don’t get the chance to screw themselves”, so I understand why no one does. OTOH, the article literally says that "data [shows] that those with lower incomes, lower education, and worse credit (redundancies here) are more likely to use BNPL." Most consumer…
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From the consumer pov, why would I opt for a PNBL option? If I have the money on hand, wouldn't I just make a regular purchase? Not trying to be snarky, genuinely curious what the sales pitch is here.
That's effectively any membership service where you get a discount... e.g. Amazon prime, arguably... or Membership grocery stores. Pay up front for benefits that are realized later, upon further action. I have a membership with my local craft brewery that I love to frequent that similarly could be considered a PNBL like financial thing. Arguably, it's also gift cards, though yeah, without any benefit, no one really b…
My favorite restaurant often has a Christmas sale on gift cards (something like $10 when you buy $100) so I'll get a few for myself.
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Food is a basic human need, paying someone to make a burrito for you and then hand deliver it to your house is not. There is no shortage of food in america. In brazil, many people don’t eat meat because it’s too expensive, and get the vast majority of their calories from beans and rice. you can also do this in america, but almost no one does outside of college students because food is cheap enough relative to wages t…
> In brazil, many people don’t eat meat because it’s too expensive During the 2008 recession, I remember a woman who called in to one of the financial advice radio shows (Dave Ramsey?). She was talking about how her husband has been laid off and they were eating beans, tortillas and rice, and how i simply thought, "so you're eating....mexican food?" That said, it's crazy how a burrito is $12 now and a two taco, beans…
It's also a byproduct of minimum wage, the time spent on making the burrito, prepping the kitchen, cleaning up, processing the order, doing the accounts, etc. all adds up meaning a single meal has a minimum cost directly proportional to minimum wage.
Though don't get me wrong, minimum wage is an overall good imo.
However if we had universal basic income instead, and thus could scrap minimum wage, you might see the price of a burrito drop.
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#248I keep hearing people express dismay that people are financing their lunch, sneakers, or concert tickets. But this has been the norm for a while, no? I can't remember the last time I didn't utilize credit at a restaurant or retail store. If you use credit cards, it doesn't make sense to reflexively admonish people for using BNPL for everyday purchases. To be sure, BNPL is in many ways a predatory innovation. But it i…
(It turns out that I have no need for credit or a credit score/rating in my situation. I may have been better off with none at all. Anyway...)
After about six months in good standing, the bank refunded my security deposit and I had an unsecured credit card.
The cashback rewards are specifically for use at restaurants and gas stations. So it's quite tempting to simply use this card to run up bills whenever I dine out (or order delivery), because then there is a steady and significant stream of cashback rewards on it.
Otherwise, I'm a bit horrified that anyone would BNPL for food, especially prepared food. If your cash flow is such that you can't afford to purchase a meal, or shop for groceries, that's a bit dire. I would be looking at charities and gov't programs and any other way to subsidize food, other than buying on credit. You definitely don't want to dig a hole like this between paydays.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Food is a basic human need, paying someone to make a burrito for you and then hand deliver it to your house is not. There is no shortage of food in america. In brazil, many people don’t eat meat because it’s too expensive, and get the vast majority of their calories from beans and rice. you can also do this in america, but almost no one does outside of college students because food is cheap enough relative to wages t…
> In brazil, many people don’t eat meat because it’s too expensive During the 2008 recession, I remember a woman who called in to one of the financial advice radio shows (Dave Ramsey?). She was talking about how her husband has been laid off and they were eating beans, tortillas and rice, and how i simply thought, "so you're eating....mexican food?" That said, it's crazy how a burrito is $12 now and a two taco, beans…
Beans, rice, and burritos are still relatively cheap. Labor is not.
> This is peasant food that should be dirt cheap.
Make it ourselves and it is.
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#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
Convincing people to finance their groceries is absurd. Ideally, everyone should have a few months’ worth of income saved. And if they do, there's zero reason to finance a burrito. In the Western world, if you have a job but no savings buffer, it’s usually not due to extreme poverty—it’s often a lack of basic financial literacy. Klarna, et al. market in direct opposition to that education.
> everyone should have a few months’ worth of income saved Do you have any friends that earn minimum wage? Do you understand the societal incentives that discourages saving anything? Have you seen what happens to minimum wage earners when they try to save? Our society enables a few different niches before retirement age: #0: out of work. Discussing this niche be dragons. #1: $0 balance - spend money as you get it. Di…