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NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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If you're going with the great conspiracy of GOP as Russian assets, you should also add Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons as Russian assets as well.

Whether or not Musk is a Russian asset, it seems like the more immediate issue with him are the many conflicts of interest.

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They're pushing a 55% budget cut. There is absolutely no universe in which you can justify that with rhetoric around "DEI" science. This is going to cut very, very deep into basic STEM / biomedical research. They're cancelling mRNA research, they're flagging research that uses words like "trauma" or studies how medications impact men and women differently. There's no sensible agenda behind all of this, it's just back…

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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It seems like you're trying to argue and assign blame. I'm not here for that. Just explaining what I understand of what the blue collar folks I know are thinking.

Not trying to argue, though blame is deserved for those who voted for Trump this time around. I'm not saying that out of anger, that's just the nature of democracy and that the corollary of a voting public being able to choose their leaders means they're responsible when they make bad choices. That, in turn should trigger national debates, reflection, and reform hopefully, else the US will continue to head down an ev…

I think it's worthwhile to consider that what you said here:

> Not trying to argue, though blame is deserved for those who voted for Trump this time around.

> I'm not saying that out of anger, that's just the nature of democracy and that the corollary of a voting public being able to choose their leaders means they're responsible when they make bad choices. That, in turn should trigger national debates, reflection, and reform hopefully, else the US will continue to head down an ever-increasingly authoritarian and populist path.

Is almost to a word how the Right feels about the Left as well. We're watching that play out. Conflict escalation is even less fun on the societal scale.

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Also, NCSA was started with NSF funds and the put out the first web browse. And now the guy behind that is supporting Trump. Really pulling up the ladder.

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He means Andreesen, obviously.

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Is there any evidence towards this allegiance? Why should we attribute to malice what we could attribute to incompetence, or greed?

Yes, there is a LOT of evidence of this allegiance, although maybe just observing Trump's unwillingness to openly criticize Russia and Putin is highly suspect by itself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associat...

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The focus is robbing the treasury to give tax breaks to the rich.

Trump said yesterday he wants to raise taxes on people earning over $2.5MM[1] People on the left are going to be caught totally flat-footed if they don't pull their head out of their bubble. Trump is a populist president. He was elected by working class individuals and so far he has shown every intent of following through for them. People on the left don't recognize it because they don't recognize the tools that righ…

Yes but:

> He is clearly not working for billionaires...

Not working for Wall St or Main St.

It's a food fight between opposing elites. ("The grass suffers when elephants fight.")

As you surely know, some do advocate crashing our economy, enabling them to seize even more power. They use shibboleths like dark enlightenment, free enterprise, taxation is theft, yadda yadda.

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That ended up not being the gotcha that y'all thought it was and CNN had to add a correction on their fact-check because mice were indeed being administered cross-sex hormone therapy, just not for the purpose of changing their sex. One of the experiments in particular was to determine how gender-affirming care would affect humans, which indeed makes it at odds with the administration's DEI policy and is not just them…

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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"The consolidation appears to be driven in part by President Donald Trump’s proposal to cut the agency’s $4 billion budget by 55% for the 2026 fiscal year that begins on 1 October."

This statement is wrong. What a sad state of affairs Science Magazine has become. It should read, "The proposal is to cut the budget by 55% to $4 billion."

The 2024 budget was $9.06 billion and the 2025 request was $10.183 billion.[1]

[1]https://www.nsf.gov/about/budget#budget-baf

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Social Security doesn't come out of the general budget.

Who cares? It contributes to the deficit, which is what matters for fiscal policy.

Social security is entirely self funded, has a large surplus in the form of the SS Trust Fund (that’s being spent down) and has contributed $0 to the deficit or debt. You should really learn the basic facts about something like that if you’re going to support cuts to the program.
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