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Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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The thing is, TikTok is not accused of directly profiting off of this, they are accused of operating as part of the Chinese espionage apparatus. Assuming that this is the case, TikTok is going to be happy to continue paying fines as long as they break even worldwide. And the US is making no serious attempts to rein in this sort of behavior so they've got all that US profit to use.

> And the US is making no serious attempts to rein in this sort of behavior You mean besides forced divestment under threat of an outright ban?

it’s legally banned and nothing has changed. so where is the serious attempt?

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> And the US is making no serious attempts to rein in this sort of behavior You mean besides forced divestment under threat of an outright ban?

it’s legally banned and nothing has changed. so where is the serious attempt?

I'm curious. Do you want to elaborate on what would pass the bar for a "serious attempt" in your opinion?

Because I consider TikTok's situation in the US very seriously bad.

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I happen to live in China right now and am using a VPN. I find your comments to be fundamentally incorrect. I live here more than 20 years and can't find any information about genocide, and I have a lot of (I suppose you are talking about) Xinjiang friends. Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding. And The the government prepares extreme religious individuals for modern society. This process involve…

"Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding." Radical islmaists are definitely a thing, but don't you think, the chinese government considers anyone extremist not ok with one party rule? (I don't expect a honest answer, since you need a vpn to communicate) And that you don't find information and that your chinese friends don't find know about controversal topic, then this is rather a obvious sign to m…

Chinese censorship operates with a 'turn a blind eye' approach rather than strict enforcement. The government allows citizens access to outside information while maintaining nominal restrictions. GitHub exemplifies this—officially censored but widely used by Chinese developers without consequence.

VPNs and encrypted messaging apps like Telegram are technically forbidden but practically tolerated. This selective enforcement extends to politically sensitive topics. While the Tiananmen Square events of 1989 remain officially censored, most Chinese citizens know about them through VPN access. Other historical events like the Cultural Revolution are not cencored and are actually taught in schools.

About me, I have studied in the U.S. and lived extensively in China, so I guess, from your standard, I'm one of the least brainwashed people in China? I know lots of cencored information but none of them relates to Xinjiang opperession. Therefore, as an educated person who lived in U.S. and China, I can confidently state that reported oppressions in Xinjiang are false narratives.

You also talked about one-party rule. Oh c'mon, a lot of people, including more than 50 minority groups, dislike the one-party rule. It's meaningless for the government to oppress one specific group.

Extremists face detainment in re-education camps for two specific reasons: First, their radical beliefs exceed public tolerance—unlike most Muslims, they engage in violence. Second, they combine religious extremism with separatist ambitions. These interventions target violent extremism and territorial separatism specifically, not related to the one-party rule. Furthermore, the number of extremists is very small. I don't think they constitute a large portion in Uyghurs. So it's not millions of extremists, I think it's at most thousands.

You may heard lots of such fake news from BBC, CNN, NYT newspaper, etc, and these media outlets function as propaganda tools. I can give you an evidence: BBC and CNN used to report a lot Chinese human rights violations. But during the Trump administration, they magically fliped to support China and praise China a lot. This dramatic shift proves that they are political tools, or at least part-time political tools when speaking of China, that simply convey the message what they're ordered to convey.

If Western critics truly wanted to challenge China and make Chinese people wake effectively, I can give they some suggesions. They can talk about

1. unaffordable housing prices in China,

2. persistent low incomes in China, and

3. environmental cleanliness. I mean most places, excluding big cities like SF or NYC, are cleaner than places in China.

These are real problems that resonate with Chinese people rather than fabricated oppression narratives.

If you want to check my words, feel free to visit China to see the reality for themselves.

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post #143

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I happen to live in China right now and am using a VPN. I find your comments to be fundamentally incorrect. I live here more than 20 years and can't find any information about genocide, and I have a lot of (I suppose you are talking about) Xinjiang friends. Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding. And The the government prepares extreme religious individuals for modern society. This process involve…

"Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding." Radical islmaists are definitely a thing, but don't you think, the chinese government considers anyone extremist not ok with one party rule? (I don't expect a honest answer, since you need a vpn to communicate) And that you don't find information and that your chinese friends don't find know about controversal topic, then this is rather a obvious sign to m…

> Radical islmaists are definitely a thing, but don't you think, the chinese government considers anyone extremist not ok with one party rule?

This issue is essentially one of trust. If a person cannot be trusted by others, then even if they list facts, others won't believe them. Therefore, even if the Chinese government proves that every extremist is a real one, the West will still believe there are innocent people wrongfully accused among them. I think only mutual communication and firsthand witnessing can eliminate trust issues. According to this webpage[1], if you are a citizen of those listed countries, you can visit China for 30 days without needing a visa.

[1]: https://bio.visaforchina.cn/MAN3_ZH/tongzhigonggao/187866261...

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> We should all watch and criticize other countries so humanity can improve. Many (if not most) Europeans think it is perfectly fine when they criticise other countries; but when people from other countries criticise Europe, these very same Europeans tend to agitatedly accuse these critics of interference in their domestic affairs. From these Europeans' point of view, humanity progresses in pre-ordained stages, and E…

I’m more annoyed at Europeans who think that the EU sanctioned China so therefore, China must be misbehaving. Like who gave the EU the right to be the arbiter of moral values?

Well, one difference is, in EU I can (allmost) say whatever I want. In china I clearly cannot. Just mentioning 35 year old events is not possible. That is a big difference.

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it’s legally banned and nothing has changed. so where is the serious attempt?

I'm curious. Do you want to elaborate on what would pass the bar for a "serious attempt" in your opinion? Because I consider TikTok's situation in the US very seriously bad.

Trump just announced he is willing to give another extension.

https://www.axios.com/2025/05/04/trump-tiktok-ban-extension-...

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Really? A nice rational genocide or two? China is an expansionist dictatorship. It would be ridiculous to suggest it is more trustworthy than the US. The US is actually acting rationally IMO. People just look at headlines and do not dig into the reasons. You might not agree with the reasoning, but it is not irrational. For example the tariffs clearly follow from arguments made by Trump's appointees (such as Bessent a…

I happen to live in China right now and am using a VPN. I find your comments to be fundamentally incorrect. I live here more than 20 years and can't find any information about genocide, and I have a lot of (I suppose you are talking about) Xinjiang friends. Yes, there are extremists in Xinjiang with foreign funding. And The the government prepares extreme religious individuals for modern society. This process involve…

It shouldn't be surprising that a group which commits a genocide and has the power to censor the media would censor the media about the genocide, so when you go looking at media it censors, you don't see anything about a genocide.

If you wanted to know about genocide in China you'd have to go to non-Chinese media. Germany and the USA do the same thing.

Re: Irish privacy watchdog hits TikTok with €530M fine over data transfers to China

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I’m more annoyed at Europeans who think that the EU sanctioned China so therefore, China must be misbehaving. Like who gave the EU the right to be the arbiter of moral values?

Well, one difference is, in EU I can (allmost) say whatever I want. In china I clearly cannot. Just mentioning 35 year old events is not possible. That is a big difference.

That's not actually true. Swastika flags are banned in Germany, for example.

Either way, that does not give Europeans higher morals than others.

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