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Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by burnte »

cj wrote: post #189
sceadu wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you're unfamiliar with enterprise IT

Your comment is unnecessarily dismissive. Disrupting the space now doesn't seem any less hard now than it was 10 years ago when slack and zoom did it. But yes, if your point is that it's hard, then indeed. It is hard. Should that stop someone? No!

He wasn't dismissive, he was countering dismissiveness. It was dismissive to throw out "just build your own". 99% of companies don't have that option, most companies are customers, not builders. This commenter was pointing out the obvious lack of perspective on the majority of businesses. That is a huge problem in SV and software development these days, the lack of awareness and context about real problems out in the market. "Just build a replacement" is a non-viable route for most people and most companies.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

jbm wrote: post #238
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #215

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Im confused seeing all the hate for teams here. Whats so bad about it? Its a simple calendar and a messenger. Its not perfect but its not awful. Jira on ghe other hand.....

You must not use it that much. Features that worked in mIRC in the 1990s are broken, like sending messages. Right this second if I click to reply to someone's message, I can't add a message in Japanese unless I copy-paste it in. This happens every few months. I can't tag people who have non-English names reliably. It crashes my browser. There are weird security settings, and when you have multiple environments, it is…

I use it every single day, constantly, and it works just fine for me. Only compaint I ever had is that the search functions suck but thats common to literally anything microsoft has ever done

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by malfist »

MrJohz wrote: post #229
duxup wrote: post #176

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Yup. Immediately a negative impression from me. Doesn't mean it won't sell, congrats to OP, but god I hate everything about Teams. Right now it's showing me calendar items with times that are wrong, they'll switch to the right time in a few minutes... probably. I didn't change time zones, I didn't do anything, it's just something wonky about their new calendar setup. If the time updates I'll click to open the calenda…

Ah, that's probably related to the bug I'm seeing where I've got my Teams calendar synced to my phone, but about half of the events show up an hour later or earlier. Isn't getting this right, like, _the_ purpose of a calendar?

Microsoft recently claimed 30% of their code was AI written. Maybe this is what you get when your systems are non-deterministic

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by dtech »

ramon156 wrote: post #218
daheza wrote: post #159

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Our company is forcing us to drop slack and use teams. It’s going to be terrible. But hey it saves 600k per year. Never mind that our customer experience will become terrible as team communication fails.

Sorry if I'm ignorant, but how can slack cost 600k/year? I doubt they wouldn't give some form of deal for bigger companies. I know integrations can sometimes suck up money, but 600k is insane

Slack is $180/year without discounts or "enterprise". So if you have 3300 users it could be that.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by karel-3d »

daheza wrote: post #159
karel-3d wrote: post #137

> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.

Our company is forcing us to drop slack and use teams. It’s going to be terrible. But hey it saves 600k per year. Never mind that our customer experience will become terrible as team communication fails.

The good thing: When you switch from slack to teams, all channel communications go to 0, because the experience is so dreadful, so you don't get 100 channels to read.

The bad thing: it all moves to private messages

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by karel-3d »

supportengineer wrote: post #224
ramon156 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry if I'm ignorant, but how can slack cost 600k/year? I doubt they wouldn't give some form of deal for bigger companies. I know integrations can sometimes suck up money, but 600k is insane

That's a huge financial incentive to build an alternative.

There is Mattermost which you can self host.

Once you do, you will realize the DB grows REALLY fast

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by longitudinal93 »

youniverse wrote: post #169
karel-3d wrote: post #137

> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.

I haven't used teams but if it's so bad there has to be a good open source alternative? Let's build one???

Most of the functionality is available in NextCloud which is open source and self-hostable.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by dabbz »

iJohnDoe wrote: post #121
jen729w wrote: post #35

Honestly the most admirable part is shipping a Teams app. I’ve been down that rabbit-hole and Je-sus what a horrific experience. Never again.

Can you elaborate a bit? Been tossing around the idea of doing a Teams app. What were the challenges?

Used to work for a company that owned a Teams extension. Teams updates will just randomly break your extension behavior without any warning or heads up. The migration to their "new teams" app was brutal.

Their SDK is built into 2 view render portions. 1 for in-message rendering using their own markup syntax for structuring views, and another that's just a web browser. So if you want to share components between 1 for messages and another for your pane, you can't.

Ingesting events is not very well defined. Everything gets sent to 2 endpoints you define and it's up to you to determine how to handle it.

Just some of the issues I came across in my short time at the company.

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by yieldcrv »

ValentinPearce wrote: post #198
duxup wrote: post #176

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Yup. Immediately a negative impression from me. Doesn't mean it won't sell, congrats to OP, but god I hate everything about Teams. Right now it's showing me calendar items with times that are wrong, they'll switch to the right time in a few minutes... probably. I didn't change time zones, I didn't do anything, it's just something wonky about their new calendar setup. If the time updates I'll click to open the calenda…

Last week there were so many apps added to my teams that I couldn't see the chats anymore.

Should have repented, because now you’re in hell

Re: I created Perfect Wiki and reached $250k in annual revenue without investors

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Post by osigurdson »

duxup wrote: post #176
karel-3d wrote: post #137

> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.

Yup. Immediately a negative impression from me. Doesn't mean it won't sell, congrats to OP, but god I hate everything about Teams. Right now it's showing me calendar items with times that are wrong, they'll switch to the right time in a few minutes... probably. I didn't change time zones, I didn't do anything, it's just something wonky about their new calendar setup. If the time updates I'll click to open the calenda…

This seems to be a very common response. I definitely believe it but Teams seems ok to me - can make video calls and do text chats. That is all I need it to do, really. Maybe I just haven't used Zoom enough to know what I am missing.
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