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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by voidspark »

balfirevic wrote: post #232
voidspark wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

> What if you WANT to have a career or a job which is now done exclusively by AGI? > If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Do you want to have a software developer career for the sake of having a software developer career (because you enjoy it), or are you worried about your livelihood?

It's what I've always been interested in doing, and it's how I make a living.

I don't want free money just handed out like UBI. That would be depressing. I also don't want retirement.

Many people don't want to be forced into early retirement.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by hu3 »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #208
shmeeed wrote: post #200

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That's a lot of words on a very overarching tangent. If one may ask, what music, exactly, do you consider joyful and worthy?

Some examples: - Carl Maria von Weber - Missa Sancta No.2 in G-major, Op.76, J.251 "Jubelmesse" (1819) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlNqpl-YJI&t=239s - Mass No. 2 (Schubert) - https://youtu.be/AUMp0OJ66s8?si=40k7LZ9pqCzMbHJy&t=256 - Mendelssohn: Elijah, Op. 70, MWV A2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99KSSFj-aU - Beethoven: Missa solemnis in D major, op. 123 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umXYWd25hgQ&t=2382s

Thanks. These are soul touching and complex.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by chii »

voidspark wrote: post #199
Juliate wrote: post #196

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You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.

Hey we're talking about a future scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human, and can do it much cheaper than current developer salaries. We're talking about science fiction which may become true much sooner than most people expect. I would be competing with cheap AGI services so it makes no difference whether I am a freelancer or not. > Being a software developer is…

> scenario where AGI actually exists and is vastly better at software development than any human

then humans deservedly should no longer be doing software development, and those who were doing it would necessarily be the economic sacrifices. This has happened to many industries before, and shall continue to happen to others. I don't think there's any necessity to stop it - just ease the transition via taxpayer funded schemes.

However, none of this stops anyone from persuing an artisanal craft - because otherwise, they would be persuing it for economic reasons rather than artistic reasons.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by carlosjobim »

MantisShrimp90 wrote: post #79
chii wrote: post #15

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Nothing stops you from doing art and writing, just like nothing is stopping someone today from riding a horse, running a marathon or rowing a boat.

Unless you are someone that has chores to do like say... Most people? Yes we could technically leave our dirty dishes on the sink while we do art but that decision bites you next time you want to cook lol. Obviously we mean we want to use that time of doing dish towards art instead, like how automation has always worked?

Chores are just a convenient excuse because of fear of failure. How is it that some people are "too busy" for decades on end? There is time for making art if you want to.

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Post by golol »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

All these art producing AIs are a byproduct of the research progress towards AGI and AI that can do your chores. It is inevitable that somebody has made image or music generating AI in a world where household robots exist. So I don't see any problem with DeepMind trying what they can do with current technology. It's just a reality of the world we have to live with.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by jeremyjh »

cambaceres wrote: post #154
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

> I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs Good for you man, how will AI stop you? Are you writing songs for the pleasure of writing songs or for getting validation from other people?

The answers to your questions are in the comment you replied to. Part of their love is music is sharing it with others. They also like to fantasize about becoming a full-time musician. Both of those things are less likely if there is 100x the current volume of music from unknowns.

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Post by falcor84 »

magic_hamster wrote: post #186
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

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The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

Who is "we"? The entire human race? Expecting all humans across different cultures and languages to come together and figure out basic income for 9 billion people is absurd. This kind of cooperation never happened and probably never will. People are completely unable to cooperate at the massive scale this requires, let alone solve far smaller challenges like mitigating outbreaks or making an effort to avert climate c…

It's difficult, but not impossible. "We" decided to offer everyone a covid vaccine and achieved that.

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Post by jeremyjh »

kmijyiyxfbklao wrote: post #240
j_maffe wrote: post #195

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It's not about validation, it's about expression and communicationw with other humans. That's one of the key beauties of art and it's being flooded away with artificial, empty content

What sites are full of AI music? Spotify? Bandcamp?

Spotify does have a lot of AI generated music, yes. What is the purpose of your comment? Do you believe there is some filtering mechanism that is going to keep AI slop off of these platforms? Is that what we've seen happening with writing and art?

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Post by squigz »

aniviacat wrote: post #239
anentropic wrote: post #204

This is not actually music. Music is a cultural practice, this is just organised sound. Maybe one day AIs will be able to participate in cultural practices like humans do, as sentient beings, but current generative AI models do not.

> That is not a water bottle, it's a domesticated puddle. Many (most?) people don't care about the artists behind songs (even less so about their culture). They care about the "organised sound" being enjoyable to hear. And to them, AI music is just as valuable as manual music. Gangam style didn't become popular because people cared about PSY. It didn't become popular because of its thoughtful lyrics and insightful me…

> Many (most?) people don't care about the artists behind songs

This seems an absurd take to me when you consider the popularity of, say, Taylor Swift, or various rappers.

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Post by Rochus »

antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> his idea of "music like water or electricity" might finally come true

That was already the case with Spotify & Co. where music has become an anonymous commodity. People order by mood or playlist and rarely care about who composed, produced or played the music, even if the meta data are available. From the user's perspective, AI makes mostly the selection process more precise. I don't think people will care much whether the music itself was a human-made recording or just AI generated.

But making music is still fun (I speak from experience, see e.g. http://rochus-keller.ch/?p=1317); people just won't care, unless you have a big name; all this was already the case before AI generated music became good enough. So by the end of the day, AI is just another act in a rationalization and anonymization process which started a long time ago.

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