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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 4:48 PM UTC

mbesto wrote: post #183

m1keil wrote: post #12

Anyone used both Kagi assistant and perplexity and can share how was the experience?

I tried both and use Perplexity. Perplexity is much more akin to native ChatGPT in which I can create "spaces" for my projects. For example, I just bought an RV and so I loaded up all of the PDF manuals into a space so the LLM can reference those things. Since a few months ago, Kagi is just thread based. FYI - I use Kagi every day for standard search and love it.

Perplexity aggressively makes shit up, particularly when it comes to science and finance. It provides sources, so you can check the bullshit, but I’m the error rate is so high that it’s practically dangerous.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by Night_Thastus » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 4:57 PM UTC

casenmgreen wrote: post #162

I subscribed to Kagi a month ago. It's great. I'd love for BlueSky takes a subscription model, too, so we don't have to think about advertising or sustainability or all that jazz. Also means the company's interests much more closely aligned with users interests, rather than advertisers interests.

That's why I moved to a paid mail service myself. I used to have a free one, but it was always lurking in the back of my mind that they'd be selling me to advertisers. (Plus, the service sucked)

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by orand » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:04 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #223

eightysixfour wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really feel like the software model is going to start to break in a couple of ways in the near future. Instead of vertical software slices, many people are going to want their single “horizontal” agent that they pay for (e.g Gemini Advanced, Claude) and connectivity to all of their other services. MCP (which I personally think is a mediocre protocol, so it will probably win) as the glue for a bunch of services we O…

I prefer identity as the top layer. Give me an identity portal that acts as an account manager, access to api layer, let me perform password resets, and let me avoid 2fa if I’m logged into my identity manager account. It should allow bidirectional control: both what services have access to my identity, and what services anything in my identity are granted access to access. Things like LLM, cloud storage etc should be…

Who is going to pay for identity as a product and not just expect it as a free feature of another product suite?

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Post by ipaddr » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:23 PM UTC

louthy wrote: post #207

ipaddr wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If no one can offer unlimited then it shouldn't legally be able to make that claim. It's like putting cures cancer on your bread loaf and then changing the terms to say curing cancer means eating wheat; everyone should know it's a lie but it raises sales anyways.

What about words like ‘Ultimate’ or other commonly used branding words. Are you saying that no words except exact literal definitions must be used on all branding? I hate to break it to you, but I think the cat is well and truly out of the bag on that one!

Ultimate is a fair term as with most branding terms. Unlimited is a lie, ultimate separate offerings between basic and standard.

You can't say you get 10 apples for a dollar and only give 9. You can say best, ultimate Apples because they are not quantifiable.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:25 PM UTC

colonial wrote: post #15

> A note on our fair-use policy > Basically our policy states that you can use AI models based on your plan’s value. Although I likely won't use Assistant, stuff like this is why I love Kagi. My relationship with them as a customer feels refreshingly transparent; I can't think of any other consumer SaaS provider that automatically answers my reflexive "how does this make money?" question. (Compare, say, Discord. It's…

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by SadTrombone » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:29 PM UTC

mdhen wrote: post #28

Phenomenit wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I concur. As an early adopter I first got forced off my grandfather plan to the regular one(at least I got a T-shirt). Now I have a limited number of searches that I have to keep track of and this has made me only use Kagi if necessary. This has dropped my number of searches significantly but at the end of the year I’m still being charged for renewing my plan even though I haven’t used a quarter of my allotted s…

How do you use kagi and not know the basic plan has unlimited searches and has had it for ages?

The basic plan has 300 searches.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by g42gregory » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

How is the different from 3.7 sonnet connected to the web search? Or Gemini 2.5 with search capabilities? Am I to rely on Kagi being better and capable of continuing to be better than frontier models at search?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by rglover » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:54 PM UTC

This is a great deal. Switching to Kagi was like getting OG Google search back. I'm also blown away by how good it is. I used DDG but was never really happy (always had to go back to Google for certain things).

Love that for $25/mo, you can get access to GPT 4o, Sonnet, and other models along with high-quality search.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by hairofadog » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 5:57 PM UTC

g42gregory wrote: post #247

How is the different from 3.7 sonnet connected to the web search? Or Gemini 2.5 with search capabilities? Am I to rely on Kagi being better and capable of continuing to be better than frontier models at search?

It's a front end for all of those models. I haven't signed up for it but I'm considering it as I pay for both Kagi and Claude for a total of $35/month, whereas this would be $25 if I understand correctly.

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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by siva7 » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 6:06 PM UTC

eightysixfour wrote: post #213

basch wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing still giving me pause is a lack of "bring your own model connection" between saas uh services. If I already pay for Gemini Advanced (or OpenAI/ChagtGPT Pro), I then have to pay for it again at every service that offers a Pro 2.5 (or 4.1/4o) tier. I should be able to connect my Gemini Advanced access to any service that offers Flash and be able to upgrade. Signing up for a bunch of services is starting to fe…

I really feel like the software model is going to start to break in a couple of ways in the near future. Instead of vertical software slices, many people are going to want their single “horizontal” agent that they pay for (e.g Gemini Advanced, Claude) and connectivity to all of their other services. MCP (which I personally think is a mediocre protocol, so it will probably win) as the glue for a bunch of services we O…

No question, the openai gpt marketplace/store was a birth failure and doesn't make much sense in hindsight anymore. I just don't understand why they don't pull the plug and admit it's a failure.