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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by kassner »

morsch wrote: post #226
ninjinxo wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An N100 minipc or second-hand Dell Optiplex doesn't cost too much more than a rasp-Pi ($100-200), has a lot more power, and will only pull about 10W idle. My optiplex shows as 8.191 kwh last month -> 11w average.

Is 10W idle the lowest one can reasonably get a small home server? As a comparison, that's about as much as my fridge draws on average. Also, a mechanism to maximize the time spent at idle would be useful. Basically all the optimisations done for phones.

The Mac Mini M4 can draw as little as 3W during video playback via HDMI, but all your energy savings will be offset by the price of storage.

There are plenty of old laptops that would be a great replacement, mine draws 8W at idle with 2x2TB SSDs: https://www.kassner.com.br/en/2023/05/16/reusing-old-hardwar...

I’m interested in the next generation: arm64 machines with 2xM.2 slots could do wonders as an idler.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by wintermutestwin »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

IMO using a streaming service’s recommendations is a way to filter out bands that labels aren’t promoting. The services have to be getting paid for pushing - right?

If everyone is this lazy about music discovery, then music suffers. I am not using “lazy” as a pejorative. There are people who just couldn’t be bothered and that’s fine. Music just isn’t that important to you. But if the people who deeply love music are corrupted by the ease and dopamine, it will deeply wound music as a whole.

My problem isn’t discovering new music, it is “discovering” my massive library. I love AM, but the fact that 3 of the five large icons taking up precious screen real estate are devoted to discovering music that Apple is paid to promote is infuriating.

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Post by sWallo »

benfortuna wrote: post #219
armSixtyFour wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

Does noone use the Spotify "daylist" playlist, that cycles between genres you have listened to previously? This regular plays music I have never heard (both old and new).

wow, TIL. Did not know that exists. Thanks!

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Post by _Algernon_ »

apwell23 wrote: post #227
tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

> run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers > use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home > host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. i really have no idea what any of these words mean. Spotify's future is secure.

It has always been clear that people who are scared of performing a few google searches wont use these services.

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Post by kassner »

tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

PSA: Amperfy works well with Navidrome if you need CarPlay with offline syncing. It is a bit rough in the edges, though.

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Post by chillfox »

thebluelad wrote: post #25
knowknow wrote: post #13

What’s wrong with Spotify?

If you listen on high-end equipment the audio quality is noticeably worse than many other solutions and depending on your music taste, Spotify often removes content or doesn't have it in the first place.

Music disappearing is really annoying.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

russelg wrote: post #124
smj-edison wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you do for backups? I'm just setting up an Emby instance with a 4 TB hard drive attached, but I'm worried it'll fail and take everything with it.

Is there really a point in backing up media? Unless you've ripped it yourself, I'm sure anything you have is easily obtainable again.

It's the other way around if anything. If you ripped it yourself, you still have the original media and can rip it again. If you sailed the seven seas, it may or may not be around if you go to look for it in the future.

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Post by freetonik »

austin-cheney wrote: post #35

I wanted a WinAmp style playlist that would work on the iPhone but couldn’t find anything I like from the App Store so I wrote my own in JavaScript that executes with a media player in the browser with advanced filtering.

Check out Doppler for iOS https://brushedtype.co/doppler/

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Post by wiether »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #242
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

IMO using a streaming service’s recommendations is a way to filter out bands that labels aren’t promoting. The services have to be getting paid for pushing - right? If everyone is this lazy about music discovery, then music suffers. I am not using “lazy” as a pejorative. There are people who just couldn’t be bothered and that’s fine. Music just isn’t that important to you. But if the people who deeply love music are…

> IMO using a streaming service’s recommendations is a way to filter out bands that labels aren’t promoting. The services have to be getting paid for pushing - right?

I keep hearing this, I also read Mood Machine that says the same thing over and over again.

Yet, every week for years, thanks to Spotify I'm discovering artists that don't have the means to pay to be promoted in any way.

I'm not saying that I'm special or that I hacked the algo or that it's false that Spotify promotes artists that are paying to be promoted.

I'm just saying that, depending on how you consume (I'm using this verb on purpose) music on streaming platforms, you'll be more or less targeted by money-making thongs.

If you listen to the main playlists, they are basically 100% promotion based. But if you listen to a non-promoted artist's radio, you'll have far less promoted content.

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Post by TJSomething »

Ziggy_Zaggy wrote: post #193
chillfox wrote: post #58

Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills. I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. The subscriptions really had gotten out of hand, it had gotten to about $200 (AUD) a month. Quick napkin math is that I have cancelled about ~$150 a month worth of subscriptions so far. The $500 office desktop I got for a home server is struggling…

With all the SWE in the mix, why not just roll your own media player...? It's not THAT hard. Same for movie player btw (and one solution can do both ofc). HTML spec for media is pretty amazing these days, no real excuses outside of time.

That's been sitting on my ideas list for over a decade, because I've wanted Pandora that runs locally from my collection. But I'm not sure I'll realistically ever get to it.
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