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Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by NIL8 »

throw80521 wrote: post #88
lolinder wrote: post #59

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I think it's particularly common to see that with people who discover their ADHD in adulthood, and there are a lot of us now that awareness has been raised in recent years. I went my whole life thinking that I was broken. I had intense anxiety surrounding social interaction, was horribly depressed, got terrible grades through high school, and just generally did not enjoy most of life. I eventually learned how to cope…

To be honest, I thought exactly like you for years. I still benefit from society choosing to label me with something, and that I do not choose to fight. For a while my diagnoses provided so many explanations to my problems and I could live with new purpose. But a while later, I found it was not enough. I hadn't reached "true happiness" or at least whatever I can call my current state of being. I took a different path…

Very well said.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by mulmen »

lolinder wrote: post #237
mulmen wrote: post #154

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How did the diagnosis help you cope? Did you seek some kind of treatment as a result? Did it help you change your behavior? You are describing a lot of what I experience but having someone say "me too" doesn't help me personally with overcoming these challenges.

I am not on meds—my dad is on Adderall but has had some pretty serious side effects so I've been avoiding it for now. Mostly it's changed my attitude towards myself. I'm naturally a strong perfectionist, which doesn't combine well with ADHD. That has historically led to me constantly beating myself up when I do anything wrong, ruminating over conversations for days to figure out what I should have said differently, a…

Thanks for the reply. Did you suspect you had ADHD before the diagnosis?

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by me-vs-cat »

y42 wrote: post #232
NationOfJoe wrote: post #156

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what is that same basic feature they are all missing?

Let's start with some simple basics: I need an integrated app, not a website, not a standalone app. It must seemlessly integrate into Android. A webinterace is okay for maintaining purposes. But the app itself must be an integral part of my smartphone. Visible in my taskbar and stuff like need. Without any detours. Something that integrates with Outlook/Gmail. Why? That helps to keep information synchronized. I need…

https://tasks.org/ meets every requirement you list.

With one exception, as I don't know what you mean by "Visible in my taskbar and stuff like need". I don't have a taskbar on my phone, but if you mean on a desktop, then I solve that using sync. I access synced tasks with desktop apps, which this is not. I also share one synced task list with my spouse. Other phone integration I use is having multiple task widgets on my home screens.

All of my personal reminders and tasks are tracked in this app. I use a lot of recurring tasks. While it doesn't explicitly count days overdue, it does show and can sort by due date, and can (re-)trigger notifications X days past due.

Chances are your plants don't need watered every 2 days. If you're actually married to the exact implementation you described, carry on and good luck! Otherwise, having learned from my share of drowned plants and as I read those requirements, they'd be met by a task recurring for a due date 4-10 days after completion and a start date 1-3 days before due, so you'd not see it again until a few days after it was last completed and have some days in which to complete it, where this repeats as desired regardless of when it actually gets done. This is a common pattern for me, such as my "check tire pressure" task recurring X weeks after completion. The start date controls how many days before that next due date that it starts being shown again, I do not worry about it going negative, and, after the start date, I get a location-based notification when at the location where I normally complete the task.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by _carbyau_ »

throw80521 wrote: post #188
_carbyau_ wrote: post #165

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I'm not the author of the post you critique. I suspect if you just have a "label" it doesn't do much. But the label now makes information a keyword search away. Hence their commentary: instead I can learn from and lean on hundreds of thousands of other people who have to cope with the same thing. Which would lead to learning strategies to deal with the day to day rather than struggling to find your own way. Knowledge…

> the label now makes information a keyword search away I think this can become a double-edged sword in some cases. When applied to certain problems, especially ones with no clear-cut solution, additional knowledge can end up being misleading. (Disclaimer: this is only my experience, and I do not intend to speak for others!) Example, I always used to frame issues I worked with in the language of ADHD, because I belie…

> additional knowledge can end up being misleading

Absolutely! But with a label you have:

- meaningful options you didn't have before

- hope drawn from those around you who have found ways to cope.

- knowing that you are not alone

The label doesn't fix you. But it's a good starting point. Answers don't jump out and grab you; you have to filter and verify.

And from the rest of your post it seems you managed to do that. And by having your experience here you have provided valuable context for others in a similar scenario. Thank you.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by throw80521 »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #244
throw80521 wrote: post #188

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> the label now makes information a keyword search away I think this can become a double-edged sword in some cases. When applied to certain problems, especially ones with no clear-cut solution, additional knowledge can end up being misleading. (Disclaimer: this is only my experience, and I do not intend to speak for others!) Example, I always used to frame issues I worked with in the language of ADHD, because I belie…

> additional knowledge can end up being misleading Absolutely! But with a label you have: - meaningful options you didn't have before - hope drawn from those around you who have found ways to cope. - knowing that you are not alone The label doesn't fix you. But it's a good starting point. Answers don't jump out and grab you; you have to filter and verify. And from the rest of your post it seems you managed to do that…

Totally agree it was a good starting point. I have made a lot of friends in the communities I gained access to via diagnoses and we're still good friends to this day. It's all part of a journey with multiple stages.

Think of it this way: The shape of a hammer compels you to hammer things down with it, but with sustained effort and creativity you can use it for chiseling marble instead.

To reach where I am now, I had to undo some amount of (but not all!) progress I'd made in one direction (since I had bought into the therapy circuit for treating ADHD already) and actively resist attempts to pathologize my own behaviors.

People say "don't treat ADHD like an identity" like it's easy, but the nature of a label compels you to treat it like an identity sometimes. Especially in the society I live in where awareness and destigmatization of conditions is pushed on social media all the time. And especially when your life lacks other meaning and you crave an identity to anchor yourself onto ("just don't make it your identity" sounded like "just don't be depressed" innumerable times to past depressed me, and I saw little reason not to take hold of a new identity for myself). This is a function of depression so I don't blame anyone for it, but I ultimately felt better served by other movements as far as making tangible gains in my mental health.

To use the metaphor again, the art of chiseling was unlikely to make itself known in my current state, but deep down inside I preferred to be there than where I was, so I had to deliberately seek out a teacher and undo the preconceived notions about myself in order to get there. In reality that was just finding another form of therapy that was more effective for solving my problems.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by nonethewiser »

zerkten wrote: post #42
nonethewiser wrote: post #36

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>Open-ended prompting seems to go against your prescription of more curation Not at all. There is the selection mechanism and the universe of templates. Both can be greater in a system where there is user creation and voting. Otherwise we're saying Goblin.tools has searched and found the best templates possible. Seems unlikely. And even if true now you dont need Goblin.tools anymore because you have just recreate the…

A problem is that the proposed audience are individuals who struggle with options. Giving them more options doesn't help them. Enabling a power user mode with user creation, voting, etc. would be valuable for others. I suspect template sharing in some situations is problematic because getting great results for an audience can have text which some will find objectionable.

>A problem is that the proposed audience are individuals who struggle with options. Giving them more options doesn't help them.

That's a fair point. But the current thin wrapper around an LLM doesnt help them either. Better to help someone at least.

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Post by Trixter »

scubbo wrote: post #238
Trixter wrote: post #229

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Your reaction proves the entire point of the Oxford comma -- to eliminate this kind of confusion. It absolutely should have been written as "...Buyser, an AI, software, and data engineer." There are more reasons to use an Oxford comma than not, and I remain continually surprised that it is not taught as the default.

I intentionally included "a semicolon" in my comment, because, no, even the sentence you wrote is susceptible to garden-path parsing. One _could_ read it as "...written by Buyser, and by an AI, and by software, and by...hmm, wait, there's no indefinite article on 'data engineer', I need to back-up and reparse". (Just sharing grammatical curiosity, one ~~pedant~~ enthusiast to another - I agree with your second paragr…

Pedantry welcome :-) I have always viewed the semicolon as a creative choice, and the comma as a technical requirement; hence, my reply.

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Post by emptysongglass »

protocolture wrote: post #239
emptysongglass wrote: post #225

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Meditation has reams upon reams of scientific literature behind it. Equating it to a step above vagina crystals is spitting in the face of research going back at least half a century. Meditation can and does help those with ADHD, especially in conjunction with correct medication.

>in conjunction with correct medication. >in conjunction with correct medication. >in conjunction with correct medication.

That's not what I said. I said, especially in conjunction with correct medication.

You're not arguing in good faith, and haven't everywhere you've commented in this thread. You've been nasty, short, and insulting to everyone you've engaged with.

Equating the benefits of meditation and learning to exercise the muscle of attention to "vagina crystals" is pure ignorance with an agenda.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by Doxin »

emptysongglass wrote: post #224
Doxin wrote: post #211

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> but its not impossible No but it actually is though. The entire thing with ADHD is that the whole attention mechanism is defective. Yes I can purposefully focus on something, but not consistently or over longer periods. That's the handicap . It's not a matter of not trying hard enough or figuring out one crazy trick. People with ADHD work differently from normal people and so far there's no fix for it.

Hey, person with ADHD here. It is not impossible and you are victimizing all of us by stating it is. There are extreme methods you can take that legitimately solve for the "defective wiring", such as meditating 10 hours a day. It's not permanent once you go off it, but you , yes you, can read a novel straight through. But you don't actually need to go that far to reap 80 percent of the benefits. Real, effective proto…

I've also got ADHD, I'm not just spouting unsubstantiated bullshit.

I was simplifying, maybe too much, but honestly I am sick and tired of people that keep telling me to "just try harder". I'm running at redline fucking 24/7 and it's barely enough to survive.

I wasn't implying that if you've got ADHD you might as well give up trying to focus or productive. I'm just saying that expecting an ADHD person to get the same results as someone without without lots extra effort is absurd.

You can say what you like but ADHD is a real handicap for which we do not have a cure. We've got workarounds with different levels of efficacy. I'm tired of being expected to measure up to a standard which I both can't do and don't even want to do.

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Post by sdwr »

throw80521 wrote: post #245
_carbyau_ wrote: post #244

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> additional knowledge can end up being misleading Absolutely! But with a label you have: - meaningful options you didn't have before - hope drawn from those around you who have found ways to cope. - knowing that you are not alone The label doesn't fix you. But it's a good starting point. Answers don't jump out and grab you; you have to filter and verify. And from the rest of your post it seems you managed to do that…

Totally agree it was a good starting point. I have made a lot of friends in the communities I gained access to via diagnoses and we're still good friends to this day. It's all part of a journey with multiple stages. Think of it this way: The shape of a hammer compels you to hammer things down with it, but with sustained effort and creativity you can use it for chiseling marble instead. To reach where I am now, I had…

I think you hit the nail on the head with the "normal things have 'ADHD' translations" bit. It reads the same as trans to me - a counterculture subculture where you get to feel good about things you feel bad about.
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