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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #158

Every comment here revolves around the question of whether of European customers may choose to relocate services in the EU as an alternative to dominant US ones. The background is that the US is now an "unreliable ally". I see something else. If Europe has anything to offer (and because we are technically behind it is neither price nor quality), it must be based on political values. The USA is an "ally in distress".…

I was just thinking if Firefox made an effort to relocate to EU, where as I understand it they have a lot of devs, they could become the default EU browser.

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Post by epolanski »

defrost wrote: post #220
epolanski wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Farmers as a class are not stupid Yet in my lifetime I have seen them consistently go or vote against their own interests (see Brexit which absolutely gutted British farmers which overwhelmingly voted against "evil EU rules").

The difference between UK farmers voting numbers for Brexit and the general UK population voting numbers for Brexit was ~ 1% .. within the margin of error and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did. Given the smaller absolute number of farmers, their vote carried less significant weight than many other blocs. ~ https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fv... ~ https://w…

> and shows that farmers overall voted much as the general UK population did.

Against their own interest.

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Post by malka1986 »

zwnow wrote: post #224
Yeul wrote: post #142

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Seems to me America is a pretty shitty country to live in if you're not rich so I am not too mad that they protest vote for Trump. Ofcourse in Europe we learned that socialism improves the lives of the proletariat not national socialism.

So protest vote people that'll make your own situation 100x worse? This is logic that never checked out for me.

These people feel that they are in the losing side of a win/lose situation.

So they are going for a lose/lose situation out of spiteness.

The solution is to always go for the win/win situation, even if it leads to smaller wins. It avoid building up resentment, that will always lead to a lose/lose situation.

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Post by [deleted] »

sznio wrote: post #128
JdeBP wrote: post #116

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In addition to the others elsethread, there's also Nebula; which goes for being creator-owned, not suppressive of minority content (which has seen it banned by LG as a consequence), and subscription model rather than advertisement model. * https://nebula.tv/faq

>banned by LG LG? you mean the tv company?

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Post by light_hue_1 »

krapp wrote: post #178
Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #167

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A lot of these 2% live in states whose influence on the outcome of the presidential election is disproportionately high due to the electoral system. So you have a high influence of farmers on states that have a high influence on the election outcome and those 2% end up looking more like 4% in terms of practical influence. It is disingenuous to lay the results at their feet only like the comment you're responding to s…

You're correct that this election was more lost by the Democrats than won by the Republicans, but Trump didn't actually get the popular vote. That meme took off well before the final vote count was completed. It was close, and American politics being what it is, it doesn't actually matter. Hillary Clinton did get a majority in 2016 after all, but the narrative was still that she was the worst and losing-est candidate…

Huh?

Trump won 49% of the vote in 2024, compared to Hillary's 48% in 2016.

The numbers go with the story perfectly. He didn't win a majority of the popular vote, but neither did Hilary. Trump did win a bigger share than she did though.

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Post by krapp »

flowerlad wrote: post #235
gherkinnn wrote: post #207

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> not by HN crowd Maybe not the HN crowd (though that is debatable, there is no homogenous group here) but a seizable amount of the SV rulers have endorsed him.

SV billionaires did vote for him yes, but not HN crowd.

HN has a large Trumpist contingent, plenty of people here voted for him, if only to vote against "wokism."

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

monsieurbanana wrote: post #166
apwell23 wrote: post #121

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> IMHO this is the big story here. Its not until we actually see numbers. This guy could be making up/exaggerating ( "everyone" really?) these stories, because thats what ppl do on the internet. These type of protests usually die down because human beings always choose convenience and lower price. Also see blm, dei and other "movements" that died down as soon as news cycle changed.

It's not just a consumer movement, it's Europe itself moving to get away from an unreliable schizophrenic ally. You can't make long-term plans when every 4 years you're playing russian (eh) roulette with your partner. The movement might slow down, but it's fundamentally different from a social movement limited to the US.

>You can't make long-term plans when every 4 years

Well, Trump did promise to make it so people would never have to vote again.

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Post by gadders »

niek_pas wrote: post #161
gadders wrote: post #151

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Always a surprise to see the contempt people in blue collar jobs are held in by Democrats.

Genuine question: is farming a blue collar job? My (possibly incorrect) image of farming is management of heavily industrialized processes, not of rolling up your sleeves.

Fair point. I guess it is more like managing, say, a building or plumbing firm.

I guess what I should have said is "contempt for people outside of the laptop class" (and yes farmers may use laptops but you get what I mean).

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Post by logicchains »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

> thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S.

This came with a responsibility to provide military protection to the US via NATO. Trumps voters don't want America to be an empire, responsible for protecting a bunch of far-away places that don't share their values, that's why they called the movement "America first". Historically speaking being an empire generally turns out to be a terrible deal in the long term, with maintaining the empire eventually becoming too expensive and leading to collapse and reduced living standards back home, like happened to the Roman empire, and the British empire after WW2.

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