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Claude can now search the web

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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by jonny_eh »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #229
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Is there any viable alternative to pass knowledge to the LLMs that goes beyond their training cut off date?

Via their context window, but new knowledge could easily fill it up.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by AcquiescentWolf »

bryan0 wrote: post #117
joshstrange wrote: post #110

Massive props to Anthropic for announcing a feature _and_ making it available for everyone right away. OpenAI is so annoying in this aspect. They will regularly give timelines for rollout that not met or simply wrong. Edit: "Everyone" = Everyone who pays. Sorry if this sounds mean but I don't care about what the free tier gets or when. As a paying user for both Anthropic and OpenAI I was just pointing out the rollout…

> Web search is available now in feature preview for all paid Claude users in the United States. Support for users on our free plan and more countries is coming soon.

People outside the US obviously don't exist, therefore the statement is correct.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by harrall »

magackame wrote: post #121
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

Google search is crap. It seems to be a sentiment among many HNers, but is it really that bad? I mostly use it for programming, so documentation/forums and it works out greatly. For some queries it even returns personal blogs (which people seem to bash google for not happening). Of course there are some queries that return purely AI blogspam, but reformatting the query with a bit more thought usually solves it. I won…

I watched one of my friends who says Google is useless use Google one day.

If I were looking for a song, I would type in something like “song used at beginning of X movie indie rock”

He would type in “X songs.”

I basically find everything in Google in one search and it takes him several. I type in my thought straight whereas he seems to treat Google like a dumb keyword index.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by shreezus »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #125
Almondsetat wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. LLMs are truly reaching human-like behavior then

The longer I've been in the workforce, the more I realize most humans actually kind of suck at their jobs. LLMs being more human like is the opposite of what I want.

This is why agentic AI will likely cause a cataclysim in white-collar labor soon. The reality is, a lot of jobs just need "OK" performers, not excellent ones, and the tipping point will be when the average AI is more useful than the average human.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by picafrost »

pixl97 wrote: post #206
picafrost wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do users pay for LLMs? I haven't seen much concrete data indicating that they do. I don't think the casual utility gains of LLMs have gotten average people so much value that they're paying $20/mo+ for it. Certainly not for search in the age of [doom] scrolling. I would guess that Anthropic wants developers talking about how good Claude is in their company Slack channels. That's the smart thing to do.

Have you actually done any kind of study on the utility the 'average user' has received, or is this just guessing?

I have only anecdotal data from non-technical friends and family.

I’m referring to average people who may not be average users because they’re barely using LLMs in the first place, if at all.

They have maybe tried ChatGPT a few times to generate some silly stories, and maybe come back to it once or twice a month for a question or two, but that’s it.

We’re all colored by our bubbles, and that’s not a study, but it’s something.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by mvdtnz »

joshstrange wrote: post #119
underdeserver wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not available for everyone.

> Web search is available now in feature preview for all paid Claude users in the United States. It is for all paid users, something OpenAI is slow on. I pay for both and I often forget to try OpenAI's new things because they roll out so slow. Sometimes it's same-day but they are all over the map in how long it takes to roll out.

You can't be serious with this reply. You simply can not.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by joshstrange »

mvdtnz wrote: post #246
joshstrange wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web search is available now in feature preview for all paid Claude users in the United States. It is for all paid users, something OpenAI is slow on. I pay for both and I often forget to try OpenAI's new things because they roll out so slow. Sometimes it's same-day but they are all over the map in how long it takes to roll out.

You can't be serious with this reply. You simply can not.

Which part? I completely missed the "United States" part and have since updated my original comment.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dontlikeyoueith »

johntb86 wrote: post #215
tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

I've found that OpenAI's Deep Research seems to be much better at this, including finding an obscure StackOverflow post that solved a problem I had, or finding travel wiki sites that actually answered questions I had around traveling around Poland. However it finds its pages, they're much better than just the top N Google results.

They're probably doing RAG on a huge chunk of the internet, i.e. they built their own task-specific search engine.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by nikisweeting »

joecool1029 wrote: post #48
Demiurge wrote: post #21

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In what circles is it a joke? Google bots seem to respect it on my sites according to logs.

It's in a small circle of those that do. Blame the internet archive for starting this trend: https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea...

lol IA did not start that, if anything they were late to the game. only the top handful of US-based search engines ever bothered respecting it in the first place

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dontlikeyoueith »

webstrand wrote: post #191
sumeno wrote: post #147

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"what rice cooker should I buy" returns a pretty in depth article on bonappetit.com and reddit as the top results, both recommending Zojirushi

Well first Zojirushi is unnecessarily expensive and difficult to clean. Only if you need its fancy options and like multiple varieties of rice would I recommend it. Reddit is no panacea to spam, these days. But bonappetit.com is exactly an example of affiliate link spam. Even their budget option is awful.

> Well first Zojirushi is unnecessarily expensive and difficult to clean

Expensive sure, but it's only difficult to clean if you're a double amputee.

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