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ICBMs would be more confident in their starting position and orientation. SLBMs would necessarily have more uncertainty in the initial conditions.

You can create nuclear load so powerful it won't matter where it hits.

Teller, is that you ?

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I certainly am missing the point --- targeting internet with electromagnetic waves isn't exactly new technology? https://www.dfmg.de/en/our-benefits/radio-relay-links.html https://www.dfmg.de/de/unsere-leistungen/richtfunkanbindunge... so now instead of electromagnetic waves it's light? what am I missing?

Different frequencies I gathered? Lasers are more like lines than radio that is more like waves on a pond.

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> Line of sight free space optics can be immune to many many forms of jamming. I’m a bit of two minds about this. Obviously jamming resistant high bandwidth communication enables some scarry possibilities. But the lack of it is what drives and will drive militaries around the world to put more and more autonomy into weapons. It doesn’t matter what kind of treaties we write on paper to prohibit technologies. During a…

Ukraine's drones are already partly automated because of the jamming environment: they can visually lock the drone onto a target from up to 10km away.[0][1] They're also using drones that trail a fibre optic over several kilometres to avoid jamming.[2] [0] https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/03/12/... [1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/ukraines-future-vision-and-cur... [2] https://www.forbes.com/site…

Dang what does a drone carriable several kilometer fiber spool look like?

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> Line of sight free space optics can be immune to many many forms of jamming. I’m a bit of two minds about this. Obviously jamming resistant high bandwidth communication enables some scarry possibilities. But the lack of it is what drives and will drive militaries around the world to put more and more autonomy into weapons. It doesn’t matter what kind of treaties we write on paper to prohibit technologies. During a…

> On the other hand if communication is possible that puts a leash on this dynamic I'm a bit more pessimistic than that. I think the driver for autonomy will be that the speed at which things happen on the battlefield. People being attacked with automated weapons might not be able to make response related decisions fast enough. The automation will be in place to enable a rapid response. It will become an arms race in…

I personally won't worry until microwave ovens are regulated. I'm still sore that I didn't publish a decade ago.

c.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XdcWToy2c

Re: Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers

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post #240

I certainly am missing the point --- targeting internet with electromagnetic waves isn't exactly new technology? https://www.dfmg.de/en/our-benefits/radio-relay-links.html https://www.dfmg.de/de/unsere-leistungen/richtfunkanbindunge... so now instead of electromagnetic waves it's light? what am I missing?

Lasers need line of sight.

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I'm low key afraid that this stuff is gonna get popular for .mil usage. Line of sight free space optics can be immune to many many forms of jamming. Its usage dots the sci books I've read over the years, but almost always for scary reasons. Here's the Navy today announcing work on AirBorne System for Optical Relay and Broadcast (ABSORB), a (for now) low-cost prototype one-to-many (I maybe mis-inferring what multi-acc…

The U.S. Naval Research Lab (NRL) has been deploying this tech - free space optics (FSO) - for about a decade.

https://www.doncio.navy.mil/chips/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=555...

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post #173

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> On the other hand if communication is possible that puts a leash on this dynamic I'm a bit more pessimistic than that. I think the driver for autonomy will be that the speed at which things happen on the battlefield. People being attacked with automated weapons might not be able to make response related decisions fast enough. The automation will be in place to enable a rapid response. It will become an arms race in…

I personally won't worry until microwave ovens are regulated. I'm still sore that I didn't publish a decade ago. c.f. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6XdcWToy2c

What?

Re: Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers

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Ukraine's drones are already partly automated because of the jamming environment: they can visually lock the drone onto a target from up to 10km away.[0][1] They're also using drones that trail a fibre optic over several kilometres to avoid jamming.[2] [0] https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/03/12/... [1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/ukraines-future-vision-and-cur... [2] https://www.forbes.com/site…

Dang what does a drone carriable several kilometer fiber spool look like?

Previous article has pictures

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41143322

Re: Alphabet spins out Taara – Internet over lasers

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I'm low key afraid that this stuff is gonna get popular for .mil usage. Line of sight free space optics can be immune to many many forms of jamming. Its usage dots the sci books I've read over the years, but almost always for scary reasons. Here's the Navy today announcing work on AirBorne System for Optical Relay and Broadcast (ABSORB), a (for now) low-cost prototype one-to-many (I maybe mis-inferring what multi-acc…

Hasn't this been possible with microwaves for a long time? I remember site-to-site microwave Internet between tall buildings being used commercially in the 1990s

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Ukraine's drones are already partly automated because of the jamming environment: they can visually lock the drone onto a target from up to 10km away.[0][1] They're also using drones that trail a fibre optic over several kilometres to avoid jamming.[2] [0] https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2025/03/12/... [1] https://www.csis.org/analysis/ukraines-future-vision-and-cur... [2] https://www.forbes.com/site…

Dang what does a drone carriable several kilometer fiber spool look like?

The lower canister in the last of the three links, https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/11/07/ukrain...

Difficult to judge scale, maybe the size of a drinks can or food can? Fiber is pretty thin.

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