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Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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I'm expecting nobody will do that anymore in the US.

First, those heroes were treated as enemies, then their revelations lead to nothing for the country, and great pain for them.

Finally, I doubt they would be proud of what their country is today and think it's worth the sacrifice.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Related, I'm rewatching "Enemy of the State" a 1998 film about government surveillance and assassinations and the deep state. Underrated in my opinion. Has Gene Hackman (also topical, which is why I am rewatching) and Will Smith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_State_(film)

Pretty cool is that they mention Keyhole a few times. Keyhole (later Google Earth) was created a year later, in 1999.

The US camera surveillance satellites are called Key Hole.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_Hole

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Damn. I don't know if this started the whole movement or whatever you'd call it for this push towards privacy and the general public knowing about it, but it helped a lot. Before him releasing info about room 641A and whatever else, there really wasn't definitive evidence of any government spying and tampering, and either with the intention of starting this movement or simply letting people know, he was a big push in…

not only was there not "definitive evidence"; if you said that the companies did that sort of thing you were called a conspiracy theorist whackaloon. oddly 85% of the general public suddenly was like "well of course they spy on email" after all this came out.

It's pretty depressing how society went from "that would never happen" to general apathy.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Related, I'm rewatching "Enemy of the State" a 1998 film about government surveillance and assassinations and the deep state. Underrated in my opinion. Has Gene Hackman (also topical, which is why I am rewatching) and Will Smith. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_of_the_State_(film)

Pretty cool is that they mention Keyhole a few times. Keyhole (later Google Earth) was created a year later, in 1999.

As willvarfar points out, there's a satellite system from the 1960s and quite a gap from there until Keyhole Inc.

  Keyhole Inc. specialized in geospatial data visualization applications. The name "Keyhole" paid homage to the original KH reconnaissance satellites, also known as Corona satellites, which were operated by the U.S. between 1959 and 1972. 
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#History

Many companies operated in the gap, one in public was ERMapper (Earth Resources Mapping) which had Google Map like displays in the early 1990s and was mainly focussed on geospatial computing - stitching and correcting air and sat images, multispectral data with nonstandard nonlinear geocords, magnetic and radiometric displays and corrections, etc. Other such suites existed at that time.

Keyhole|Google Earth was not the first, it was the one that went very widely public.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, why not both? If I was a shadowy agency I would start an actual legit sewer inspection company that does real sewer inspections. And then just collect and share a little extra data as needed. Nobody would be the wiser!

There’s an HVAC company like this also, I’ll bet. Corporate ventilation. A wonderful thing. Everyone needs it. No one suspects it. Or maybe it’s the aquarium guy. No, those are the guys making meth. Gotta love paranoia.

Gotta be paranoid. :D

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to the Carylon website to find a list of their companies and got > Block Reason: Access from your area has been temporarily limited for security reasons. My area is Australia. https://caryloncorp.com/find-a-company/

It’s not uncommon for site firewalls to be configured this way for business that do not do work internationally.

Yes, but calling it „security“ is a bit of a stretch…

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if they're buying a fake sewer inspection van they're probably smart enough to find one that doesn't look to people on the Internet like it's a prop out of the movie Enemy of the State.

I hope the owner of the company doesn't read this. They probably like their designs! :) I just went to Google maps to the address written on the van's passenger door and lo and behold, Google did drive down the alley behind and while this is a larger vehicle and not just a van, that's their look (they also have black versions if you look around): https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7851188,-118.211276,3a,67.3y...

Is no one cleaning the streets? Damn.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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It's crazy almost nothing changed after this revelation. What a fake democracy we live in.

Or a real democracy with voters either deeply apathetic about being watched or deeply anxious about what happens if nobody's watching.

Real but too constrained with two-party system.

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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post #230

This is the sentence I was looking for: > While we were able to use his evidence to make some change, both EFF and Mark were ultimately let down by Congress and the Courts, which have refused to take the steps necessary to end the mass spying even after Edward Snowden provided even more evidence of it in 2013. Do you have to be a cynic to pretty much have expected this?

Unfortunately this spying is exactly what all the government wants, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_wha...

Re: Mark Klein, AT&T whistleblower who revealed NSA mass spying, has died

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post #230

This is the sentence I was looking for: > While we were able to use his evidence to make some change, both EFF and Mark were ultimately let down by Congress and the Courts, which have refused to take the steps necessary to end the mass spying even after Edward Snowden provided even more evidence of it in 2013. Do you have to be a cynic to pretty much have expected this?

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