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America Is Missing The New Labor Economy – Robotics Part 1

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At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.

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The US has squandered its advanced manufacturing capabilities, warning bells have been sounding for decades, and yes, those chickens will eventually come home to roost. Not yet but soon.

trying to spread democracy to China through its economy was the biggest mistake the US has made in 50 years.

I never believed that the "spreading of democracy" was any more than a flimsy pretext for exploiting China's cheap labour.

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Right now I get zero ubi so I guess I am even more limited on all of those, and am even more a pet.

Right now you can live without it.

As a pet. More of a pet than someone on UBI. I'm someone already experiencing the bad thing we worry might happen to someone on UBI—withdrawal of it.

Not the worst, unclear to me why this was a concern in the first place. Be cool to have UBI though.

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The US has certainly wasted much of their wealth since the end of ww2 trying to keep their imperialism 2.0 going.

Isn't this what Trump is trying to rectify now?

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At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.

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> Yemen, which is doing a humanitarian intervention to help the Gazans.

Firing rockets indiscriminately at ships is not even in the same planet as humanitarian intervention.

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Who will buy the phones when no one is paid to produce them? The cars? The food and the clothes? Wealth keeps concentrating upward, great leaps in efficiency and throughput, but I can't see how it's a sustainable model for continued consumption growth year after year.

> Who will buy the phones when no one is paid to produce them? The cars? The food and the clothes? Other wealthy people. I knew someone in the yacht-building business who would say "If you want a business that will last, sell to rich people--they're the ones who have money." We are very quickly moving towards a world where the economic activity (earning + spending + producing) of the median person is insignificant ne…

Is it realistic to think that the poors will start their own economy servicing each other? I'm sure there would be chaos and violence for a period but eventually it seems like the path upward would be a whole new economic system for that 98%. This system could even make use of the automation offered by AI.

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> China tends to think and plan longer term... Pull the other one, we saw how they went in the 20th century. Large centralised governments have never managed to systemically outplan democracies. The issue is US culture has been giving priority to anti-industrialists. As a result they aren't the leader of the industrial world. This has been planned for a long time and a bunch of people were celebrating it the entire w…

I'm most of the way through reading Moral Mazes which covers this part of American culture in-depth as it relates to chemical and textile manufacturing. Specifically, it discusses psychological attitudes to perception of chemical manufacturing as being dirty, and the rationalizations employed by middle managers towards their work. What Moral Mazes lays out is the idea of the tension between the perception of manufact…

Feels like Chip Wars more aptly lays out the material reality of why and how we historically ended up here if you prefer that to what shape the propaganda took. "We want even bigger profit margins. We sought the globally cheapest labor pool we could. Whoopsie, they got better at it than us and started competing. Let's catch up with government subsidy to compete or get SotA at a different piece of the market. Ok we caught up with state money, time to offshore a different piece of the puzzle to an even cheaper labor pool for even bigger profits." repeated until: "Whoopsie, an island off the coast of our 'rival' makes 90+% of one of the most vital products in the world."

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Yes, and I think this is the core motivation behind the Trump messaging - bring it back to the US if possible. In fact, he wants to bring back commercial and maritime ship building back[1]. Pretty cool! Hopefully this will employ lots of people. [1] https://news.usni.org/2025/03/05/trumps-make-shipbuilding-gr...

“Back” is in the mid 1800’s, you mean? Or “back” as in when we built astonishingly expensive liberty ships for a large fraction of our GDP in WW2? Because since the move to steel ships, there’s never been a time the US has been good at building ships. Brian Potter goes into great detail on this [0], it’s a great read. [0] https://www.construction-physics.com/p/why-cant-the-us-build...

see also: his attacks on the "horrible" CHIPS act [0]. If anyone think he's doing anything good for anyone but billionaires, contact me. I've got some trump coin to sell you.

[0] https://www.reuters.com/technology/trump-wants-kill-527-bill...

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The account was created 3 months ago. Might be actual person. But also might be troll or bot.

I do know real people that hold views like this, but they also apply similar lens to other large countries with global footprint. So at least a consistent approach.

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At this point all China needs to do is the gaben strategy, doing nothing while America keeps shooting itself in the foot. Trump seems to have unlimited bullet supply.

How does Valve put out one of the worst releases of all time in Artifact and not get dragged through the coals ever for it? The only working strategy Valve has succeeded in running in the last 10 years is making passive income from Steam and that won't last forever.

Think this was posted in the wrong thread?
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