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Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by kuschkufan »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #206
fransje26 wrote: post #190

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> they regularly drive 100mph average You don't drive 100mph average on German motorways. Especially with the trucks not giving a damn and forcing themselves through to the left lane to pass their colleagues driving 2 kph slower, arriving traffic be damned.

The reality of driving in Germany is that a lot of federal states have maximum speeds on the highway now. And thanks to years of neglect there is a lot of road construction everywhere in the country which means reduced speeds. Speeds are also reduced around cities, around major junctions. And that's usually also where the traffic jams are. A journey from Berlin to my parents in the Netherlands (525km) would probably…

Sounds like you'd be in favour of tolls for german Autobahns. Otherwise, perfect comment, so some clueless about german roads might now be scared off and thus not further crowd them.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by bagacrap »

meekaaku wrote: post #200

Isnt the rated range always more than the actual you get? I have a friend who has a BYD Atto 3, rated range is 260 miles. Actual is 200 for city/town driving, 170 miles for motorway/highway driving.

Your friend might be an inefficient driver.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by masklinn »

viraptor wrote: post #226
masklinn wrote: post #223

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> You can set the 90% in other cars too. That has to be an option, which you need to know exists, and actively use. Hell, bmw could expose that exact same setting the other way around, and maybe they do. But defaults are important, and from a UX perspective I think they have the better one.

90% can be the default too. My point is that making that behaviour enforced and hidden is not a great from the UX pov

That’s not a point, just an opinion.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by SkyPuncher »

tromp wrote: post #162
SkyPuncher wrote: post #116

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When you understand how the EPA actually test this, it makes sense. "Highway" isn't anything like what most people think it is. It's not cruising at 75mph with no traffic on a major interstate. It's more like busy country road driving. > The "highway" program, on the other hand, is created to emulate rural and interstate freeway driving with a warmed-up engine, making no stops (both of which ensure maximum fuel econo…

> force of drag grows exponentially with speed No, it grows only polynomially [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation

You're right. Though, it doesn't really take away from my underlying point.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by mystified5016 »

bagacrap wrote: post #235
zelphirkalt wrote: post #219

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Using git does not mean there is a PR process in place. Git can be used just in the way the GP describes, recklessly putting binaries onto cars.

GitHub cannot be used without pull requests. Git cannot be used without commits. Whether there is a code review process or everyone self approves is another question.

> git checkout develop ; git merge feature-branch ; git push --force

Git with no PRs.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by garyfirestorm »

E39M5S62 wrote: post #237
bagacrap wrote: post #235

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GitHub cannot be used without pull requests. Git cannot be used without commits. Whether there is a code review process or everyone self approves is another question.

Are you saying at Tesla, GitHub can't be used without pull requests? You can for sure (obviously) just push to whatever branch you want for your GitHub hosted repository if that's your desire.

As a newbie software engineer who has forced push to main numerous times last week without a PR. I’m surprised by this discourse on HN.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by FireBeyond »

phtrivier wrote: post #191
libertine wrote: post #181

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There was a time where false advertising used to be illegal.

I suppose that would violate the advertiser's "free speech". It's very ironic that everyone is so afraid of Orwellian's "Ministry of Truth", and that we end in a world ruled by "Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistical parrots, Inc."

Australia has very strong truth-in-advertising laws.

Tesla advertised there that they were now the most popular selling car, outselling Camry... and were smacked down when Licensing records showed no such thing. Made to pull ads, pay a fine.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by SCdF »

bagacrap wrote: post #235
zelphirkalt wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using git does not mean there is a PR process in place. Git can be used just in the way the GP describes, recklessly putting binaries onto cars.

GitHub cannot be used without pull requests. Git cannot be used without commits. Whether there is a code review process or everyone self approves is another question.

Pull requests are a UI over branches, and the act of merging two branches. You don't need to use them at all.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by FireBeyond »

mattbillenstein wrote: post #152
LeoPanthera wrote: post #140

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I sold my Tesla after 4 years, because I refused to own it out of warranty. No longer being associated with Musk is a bonus. During the 4 years, it needed servicing (for actual faults, not for maintenance) 13 times. 4 of those times were "Car is dead" and it had to be towed. To book service, you have to use the app. There's no phone number. You pick a date which is usually at least a week in advance, type in what's w…

Wow, that is crazy. I've come to think of cars, and maybe other big purchases, as you're purchasing a culture; the company that made it and will service it - it's why Toyota is so highly regarded. I own a 20yo Toyota Tacoma - and it's making more frequent shop visits now; and there are some good independent shops, but the Toyota guys really do a good job and over-communicate what's going on when they have your vehicl…

When my Audi is serviced, I actually get a video from the dealer made by the tech working on the car who walks around it and actually shows the issue, and talks about what they are doing for it.

Re: Tesla created secret team to suppress driving range complaints (2023)

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Post by elif »

some1else wrote: post #172
elif wrote: post #86

Having road tripped from Florida to Washington and back in a big circle around the country, it is my firm belief that every single person complaining about the range estimates in a Tesla is speeding. By altering my driving style, I can get more range than the estimate. It's extremely predictable and accurate, to the point where I can notice the power drain from the self driving computers/cameras, arrive at the next s…

> There was a point in my road trip when I was on top of a mountain, and it said I would reach the next charger 100km away with 20km of range remaining, but I was only at 90km at the time. I made it with 17km of range remaining. This is how regenerative braking works

Correct, my point is the software prediction knew almost exactly how much energy would be recovered by it. Supporting my thesis that it is a very accurate system.
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