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Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by Arnavion »

VVilhelmsen wrote: post #186
wodenokoto wrote: post #171

Clicking around the previous discussions, it appears that the original question was posted on /sci/, a science and math board on 4chan, and not an anime board, as everybody who writes about this states. This is apparently an archive of the original post: http://4watch.org/superstring/ It's a question to a math community, using an anime meme template and referencing another anime. The discussion is very much not some…

Indeed. I would even dare to say most of /sci/ don't want to be associated with anime at all.

The original intent for all the boards was for anime fans to talk about something within their group (ie with other anime fans) that wasn't /a/nime itself. There's a screencap from an old /g/ thread on the same topic (someone complaining about all the weebs shitting up their board; meanwhile the board is literally named that because of "gijitsu"). But over time many of the board cultures shifted to the extent that they have / want very little association with anime.

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by Winmillion »

yifanl wrote: post #227
swarnie wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike sites like Reddit where an overarching hivemind will dominate the entire site to the point where your cooking, gardening and Reality TV subs will all contain American politics for some ungodly reason, 4chan still seems to be siloed in to specifically focused communities. Ignore /b/, /pol/, r9k and all the weeb stuff and you can find some properly good communities which remind me of the old internet. /sci/, /mu…

I can very confidently state /biz/ does not have its moments.

the rise of crypto broke that board

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by genewitch »

SamBam wrote: post #237
genewitch wrote: post #143

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Or it's 10000?

That's the number of possible codes. Not the number of possible ways you could arrange all 10000 codes to see which ordering contains the most shortcuts.

i have a python script running through that right now to find "the shortest" and it's been burning a single core for at least 6 hours. So it looks like you are right and i am wrong ;-)

i assume my pc on a single core can do ~1billion permutations per second, this will take 19,647 millennia. AFK.

what do you think the chances are, if i let this run, that it would find a shorter solution than 625 keypresses? the naive De Bruijn algorithm popped that out in like 2 seconds.

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by kikokikokiko »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #218
kikokikokiko wrote: post #169

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The He Will Not Divide Us saga teached me, really early, to never leave any personal information on the web, and above all, to never piss off groups of male teenagers/early adults with a lot of free time on their hands and a penchant for doing anything for the lolz.

"male teenagers/early adults", pretty big assumption there.

Please tell me, have you found the mythical 4Chan lady?

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by 876978095789789 »

robinhouston wrote: post #204
wodenokoto wrote: post #171

Clicking around the previous discussions, it appears that the original question was posted on /sci/, a science and math board on 4chan, and not an anime board, as everybody who writes about this states. This is apparently an archive of the original post: http://4watch.org/superstring/ It's a question to a math community, using an anime meme template and referencing another anime. The discussion is very much not some…

I fear I'm responsible for this misconception. At first we didn't realise the proof had originated on 4chan – Nathaniel Johnston originally found the proof on Wikia, and the 4chan archive was only discovered later. When I tweeted about it, I said “The best known lower bound for the minimal length of superpermutations was proved by an anonymous user of a wiki mainly devoted to anime.”, by which I meant Wikia (which wa…

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Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by Ferret7446 »

wodenokoto wrote: post #171

Clicking around the previous discussions, it appears that the original question was posted on /sci/, a science and math board on 4chan, and not an anime board, as everybody who writes about this states. This is apparently an archive of the original post: http://4watch.org/superstring/ It's a question to a math community, using an anime meme template and referencing another anime. The discussion is very much not some…

This is a common misconception, so much so that whiners about anime pics is a common occurrence on 4chan. 4chan is a board primarily for anime fans and thus for example it's normal and acceptable for there to be anime related posts in all of the boards, while it's not acceptable for other topics to bleed out of their own boards.

4chan dates back from a time where you'd have, say, forums for people who like X, and that forum might also have off-topic boards for stuff like food, travel, politics, and other off-topic discussion. While there are people who are interested in specific topics in said boards, everyone on the site across all boards are expected to like X.

As 4chan is wide open and due to the existence of /b/, there is thus a constant flow of people who aren't anime fans whinging about anime in the non-anime boards, who are generally ignored or rebuked.

I haven't been a regular visitor for some years, so some cultural loss might be expected, but certainly at the time that this happened, 4chan was still solidly an anime community.

Here are a few examples (which also demonstrate that while it's hard to define 4chan users in any way simply because it's an undefined set of random people that might visit and leave at any time, the only commonality would that most (not all; the so-call "redditors"/"tourists") are anime fans:

https://4archive.org/board/qa/thread/382065/whats-the-deal-w...

https://4archive.org/board/qa/thread/564357/its-acceptable-t...

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Post by tumsfestival »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #217
wodenokoto wrote: post #171

Clicking around the previous discussions, it appears that the original question was posted on /sci/, a science and math board on 4chan, and not an anime board, as everybody who writes about this states. This is apparently an archive of the original post: http://4watch.org/superstring/ It's a question to a math community, using an anime meme template and referencing another anime. The discussion is very much not some…

4chan has more valuable information than Reddit. Reddit has a lot of echo chambers with useless information

The problem is actually finding that information, once a thread dies it becomes a nightmare to find them again and it's only aggravated by time as it gets buried under other similar threads on archiver sites. You can't really search posts by users due to the anonymous nature (you can, but using handles is frowned upon over there), most threads don't have title subjects and even those that do have hundreds of identical reposts every few days as they reach the max number of posts, or they simply die due to being buried by more popular threads. It's a fool's errand trying to recover anything from archiver sites that's older than a couple of days.

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by tumsfestival »

hatsunearu wrote: post #114
dokyun wrote: post #105

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An issue I have with imageboards is that use of images invites low-effort posting because it makes it easy to be as annoying as possible, whereas with pure text making inflammatory remarks at least takes some forethought, and it invites unique forms of creative writing. Anonymous textboards I think have the best forms of banter, but they're dying out these days. Over here people have incentives to appease others by g…

My experience is that 4chan is obscure and annoying enough to browse and participate that it keeps the lowest of low effort posts down. Like if you look at websites that are easy to participate, like Facebook or reddit, you're just gonna see the worst of the worst.

Not sure that I agree. There's plenty of very, very annoying people completely derailing threads on every board by spamming shitposts and the like on 4chan. I'd say the anonymous nature is actually an incentive since there's no real consequences.

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by Oarch »

kikokikokiko wrote: post #244
pelagicAustral wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"male teenagers/early adults", pretty big assumption there.

Please tell me, have you found the mythical 4Chan lady?

Yes her name is Taylor Swift /s

(It's a fun bit of lore that she was once on /b)

Re: Anime fans stumbled upon a mathematical proof

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Post by anonCoffee »

wodenokoto wrote: post #171

Clicking around the previous discussions, it appears that the original question was posted on /sci/, a science and math board on 4chan, and not an anime board, as everybody who writes about this states. This is apparently an archive of the original post: http://4watch.org/superstring/ It's a question to a math community, using an anime meme template and referencing another anime. The discussion is very much not some…

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