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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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There is absolutely no talking to russia because russia will not respect any talks or agreements. Talking to russia will only buy time for russia to rearm and attack again. Here is the proof:

"Zelensky sent Trump list of all 'ceasefires' violated by Russia"

https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-gave-trump-list-of-all-...

russia respects nothing except getting punched back. They will break every single agreement. No amount of talking will make a situation any better, only worse, because it will give time to russia to rearm. The center cannot hold, it's too late, he comes.

Anybody who suggests "talking to russia" have absolutely no clue what they are talking about. Anybody who suggests "talking to russia" is either slow or works for russia.

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It is not a petty tantrum though it might look like one. You have to consider that the incumbents have won the US elections, that's not a small feat. What many people are missing is that if the US main challenger is China and beating Russia is a far thing, then it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China. For that, the US might need to give Russia something (some EU countries?) for this hustle and als…

This seems quite reasonable on the surface but it neglects the evidence of sheer incompetence from the first Trump term. There's no 5d chess here. There's no scenario where ceding Poland and Ukraine to Russian authoritarians leads to a more free world and a victory over Chinese aithoritarianism. There's just rampant and opportunitistic corruption. The US is being carved up from the inside and nothing about this proce…

The only country Trump has helped more than Russia is China.

Apparently being racist is all you need to do to cover up handing geopolitical victory repeatedly to a large and rich country.

The right wing is up for sale all over the world.

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You're trying to sell this as the USA dividing and conquering Russia and China against each other. But it looks much more like Russia dividing and conquering the USA from the rest of the democratic, human rights supporting West.

> But it looks much more like Russia dividing and conquering the USA from the rest of the democratic, human rights supporting West. Yes, the famous human rights where people get visited by the cops for a Facebook post or an offensive tweet like in the UK. Also, regarding the UK who just recently forced Apple to remove it's EtoE encryption because it wants access to all the data of it's citizens violating the fundamen…

That's a lot of what-about-ism .. Of course we can and should criticize other countries, but here it's just a distraction.

Do you really think the UK is as bad or worse then Russia? Because if not, what the fuck is your point?

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The thing what? That has absolutely nothing to do with it

You don’t think Norwegians will hesitate to give trump the peace price if he does what he does?

I didn't say that. I said their border with Russia doesn't influence that decision.

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This makes no sense. Russia has the economy on parity with Italy.

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What are you even on about?

It's not invented it's a verifiable fact.

If you align more with Russia and think that Russia would let go of China as their ally when Russia tied themselves to China after the sanctions.

I don't know which universe this would happen but not this one.

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

There’s no “propaganda network.” America has a president that overthrew the GOP leadership by destroying Jeb Bush over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr . After the mistakes of the last two decades, there is little appetite in America to do anything in foreign countries americans can’t find on a map beyond empty virtue signaling.

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> it makes sense for the US to ally with Russia against China Economically and population wise Russia is tiny compared to the West (Canada, EU, etc) It makes no sense to trade our alliance with the West for alliance with much weaker and poorer Russia. I think Russia has compromising info on Trump. That's the simplest explanation.

Russia advantage is its large border with China. The US is not allying because of their (non) existent economy. But they'll be a formidable ally in case of a war against China.

It could be an advantage for the US, but it looks to me like a liability for Russia, since they don't have enough manpower to guard it.

In case of war between China and Russia I could easily see Chinese invading large swaths of lands without any meaningful opposition. Populations in eastern Russia are treated more like than colonial subjects than regular citizen, so I don't think they will mind too much a new overlord.

Assuming they had the troops to get there, they cannot move all of them to the border with China and leave the western front unguarded

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There’s no “propaganda network.” America has a president that overthrew the GOP leadership by destroying Jeb Bush over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=ZawKMFFY3LmAhYMr . After the mistakes of the last two decades, there is little appetite in America to do anything in foreign countries americans can’t find on a map beyond empty virtue signaling.

Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

You think random factoids are driving Trump’s viewpoint?

Trump overthrew the Bush dynasty by eviscerating Jeb over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b. Now, neocons want to chalk that up as bad execution of an otherwise sound ideology. But you don’t think that Trump’s supporters could genuinely disagree with that assessment—think that the underlying problem is that america is too willing to intervene militarily in places that don’t directly affect the U.S.? You think that view is driven by Russian propaganda?

The way I see it, Ukraine is the test case for the foreign policy populist Democrats have long supported. The Cold War is over. The likelihood that Putin will invade Germany or France next is low. Regional wars are just that, and we should let them play out without getting involved.

Otherwise you’re still subscribing to Reaganite neoconservatism—you’re just quibbling about the details of whether to involve the american military empire in any particular skirmish.

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