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Post by infecto »

geuis wrote: post #186
infecto wrote: post #102

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If you have to tell others that then perhaps some introspection for yourself might be helpful. Comes across more as denial than constructive commentary. I do believe the benefit decreases the more senior or familiar the work is but there is still a noticeable benefit and I think it largely depends on the velocity and life cycle of the product. I think you get less benefit the slower the velocity or the more mature of…

Again, show your evidence. You make a polite but still ad hominem "attack" about me instead of addressing my points with demonstrations of evidence. Make a video or blog article actually showing how your use of LLMs in coding is making you more productive. Show what it's doing to help you that has a multiplier effect on your productivity.

I was not replying to you so I hope your comment was not directed at me?

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Post by llm_trw »

nrclark wrote: post #159
llm_trw wrote: post #101

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Counterpoint: the PC. The minicomputer revolution was meant to replace all the big iron in the basement with computers shared by teams. This lasted a decade until we got computers meant for one person and we've used that format of computation for nearly 50 years now. Everyone is talking about how AI will replace people. It won't. AI without HI is useless. However, HI with AI is much better at handling all the bullshi…

To be honest, that kind of sounds like a dystopian hell: chatGPT writing memos because we can't be arsed, and the reading the same memos because neither can the recipient. Why even bother with it?

It is heaven.

With a well working rag system you can find the reason why any decision was made so long as it was documented at some point somewhere. The old share point drives with a billion unstructured word documents starting from the 1990s is now an asset.

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Post by Earw0rm »

F7F7F7 wrote: post #201
geuis wrote: post #56

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All I hear is anecdotal statements from people claiming LLMs have made them some percent more productive. Yet few actually say how or demonstrate it. For the last year, I've tried all sorts of models both as hosted services and running locally with llama.cpp or ollama. I've used both the continue.dev vscode extension and cursor more recently. The results have been frustrating at best. The user interface of the tools…

Seriously. It’s like half of the people in this thread are living in a completely different world. And this is coming from someone who uses LLMs daily at the subscription, API (vscode and 3 nextjs apps) and local level. I have a custom langchain stack, prompt repo, you name it. And regardless of how little or how much I use what I have, or what soup de jour prompt or process (from Keep it simple to Prompt enhancers)…

Would it look like such a good search engine if the actual search engines hadn't progressively broken themselves over the last 15 years?

I swear half the time when I use it to look up the nuances of system API stuff, it's replaying forum, mailing list or Stackoverflow conversations that Google ought to be able to find but somehow can't.

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Post by Earw0rm »

tacomadome wrote: post #120
suraci wrote: post #54

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I think the 'grow at 10%' refers to the incremental part of the entire world/market. during the industrial revolution(steam/electricity/internet), the world was growing, there're trains, cars, netflix bussiness grown with productivity growing, even so, we lived through 2 world wars and dozens of economic crisis but now is very different, when you repair the tank with LLM's help, when the labour value of repairers is…

You’re describing exactly what happened during both the Industrial Revolution and the advent of computer automation. Prior to computerization and databases, millions of people were required for filing, typing, and physically transporting messages and information. All of those jobs, entire fields of work were deleted by computerization.

Even "computer" was originally a job title. For a person.

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Post by mistrial9 »

kragen wrote: post #236
mistrial9 wrote: post #197

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Egypt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt

These pages are somewhat out of date, but they confirm what I said: "Ancient Egypt was a peasant-based economy and it was not until the Greco-Roman period that slavery had a greater impact."

no - by not specifying which Kingdom you were referring to, it revealed an incomplete, obstinate, reactive answer.. (as I have also done many times) So my remedy to that today was to read a bit before further damage is done. Non-English pages might also be useful on this massive and historical topic

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Post by bufferoverflow »

hollandheese wrote: post #222
bufferoverflow wrote: post #164

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Plenty of housing. The problem is, people want cheap housing in places where everyone wants to live. I don't think that will happen any time soon.

There is no cheap housing anywhere in the entire state of California. In the worst and poorest parts of the state where are basically no jobs or anything the housing is still way more expensive than anyone can afford.

So move out of there. Plenty of cheap housing in the country.

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Post by bufferoverflow »

coliveira wrote: post #184
bufferoverflow wrote: post #164

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Plenty of housing. The problem is, people want cheap housing in places where everyone wants to live. I don't think that will happen any time soon.

This is a non-sense that spreads because of North American style of housing. If you're talking about sprawling suburban houses then you're right. But big cities have provided reasonable housing for lots of workers for centuries. The only thing you need is to build more apartments in the cities that have an excess of job positions.

No, you can't just "build more apartments". For these new inhabitants you will need more grocery stores, more bus/subway stops and overall transportation, more hospitals, more firefighters, more restaurants, more gyms, more tennis courts, more of everything.

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Post by kjellsbells »

Delphiza wrote: post #97
djtango wrote: post #53

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> Even if there is fast takeoff AGI, he thinks human messiness will slow implementation Five years ago during covid all these clunky legacy businesses couldn't figure out a CSV let alone APIs but suddenly with AGI they are going to become tech masters and know how to automate and processize their entire operations? I found it very amusing that at the turn of the decade "digitalisation" was a buzzword as Amazon was ap…

As a first order of business, a sufficiently advanced AGI would recommend that we stop restructuring and changing to a new ERP every time an acquisition is made or the CFO changes, and to stop allowing everyone to have their own version of the truth in excel. As long as we have complex manual processes that even the people following them can barely remember the reason why they exist, we will never be able to get AI t…

I dont know that getting rid of those wacky Excel sheets is a prerequisite to having AI work. We already have people like Automation Anywhere watching people hand carve their TPS reports so that they can be recreated mechanistically. Its a short step from feeding the steps to a task runner to feeding them to the AI agent.

Paradigm shifts in the technology do not generally occur simultaneously with changes in how we organize the work to be done. It takes a few years before the new paradigm backs into the workflow and changes it. Lift and shift was the path for several years before cloud native became a thing, for example. People used iPhone to call taxi companies, etc.

It would be a shame to not take the opportunity to tear down some old processes, but, equally, sometimes Chesterton's fence is there for good reason.

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Post by coliveira »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #247
coliveira wrote: post #184

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This is a non-sense that spreads because of North American style of housing. If you're talking about sprawling suburban houses then you're right. But big cities have provided reasonable housing for lots of workers for centuries. The only thing you need is to build more apartments in the cities that have an excess of job positions.

No, you can't just "build more apartments". For these new inhabitants you will need more grocery stores, more bus/subway stops and overall transportation, more hospitals, more firefighters, more restaurants, more gyms, more tennis courts, more of everything.

Of course. Big cities with all this infrastructure are nothing new. They existed in the past and are big in alive in Asia and other parts of the world. Only in North America we have this bizarre world where it seems like a strange thing to build cities and provide infrastructure for workers!

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Post by jdlshore »

mrtksn wrote: post #69
toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

Microsoft CEO Admits That AI Is Generating Basically No Value - https://futurism.com/microsoft-ceo-ai-generating-no-value Bit of a click bait title, but it certainly seems like the realization is setting in that the hype has exceeded near term realistic expectations and some are walking back claims (for whatever reason; honesty, derisking against investor securities suits, poor capital allocation, etc). Nadella appea…

IMHO anyone who started using AI seriously: 1) Wouldn't want to go back 2) Wouldn't believe that it's about to replace human intellectual work In other words AI got advanced enough to do amazing things but not 500B or T level of amazing and people with the money are not convinced that it will be anytime soon.

I went back. It’s fine at solving small problems and jump-starting an investigation, but only a small step better than a search engine. It’s no good for deep work. Any time I’ve used it to research something I know well, it’s got important details wrong, but in a confident way that someone without my knowledge would accept.

RLHF trains it to fool humans into thinking it’s authoritative, not to actually be correct.

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