I found a backdoor into my bed • Hacker News Board

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by chiph » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:39 PM UTC

EvanAnderson wrote: post #3

The state of the product's security wasn't unexpected. I was, however, shocked by this part: > I was willing to overlook: > The bed costs $2,000 > It won’t function if the internet goes down > Basic features are behind an additional $19/mo subscription > The bed’s only controls are via mobile app Nothing about this bed should depend on off-site servers. Nothing about the product should necessitate a subscription fee.…

This is the sort of thing I would have expected to see during the dot-com era, if they had had the idea to charge a subscription for things back then.

I mean, it's the :CueCat. But comfy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by BobaFloutist » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:42 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #212

BobaFloutist wrote: post #190

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That sounds cool, but I'm a little resistant to being asked to remember to charge my lightswitch.

Could maybe be made low enough power that it can power itself via ambient light (like an old school calculator) or radio waves.

That would be cool, but I haven't actually seen it in anything other than an old school calculator so I assume the limitations are pretty significant.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by lostlogin » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:44 PM UTC

mvanbaak wrote: post #157

connicpu wrote: post #148

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I agree with this so much. Opening an app is the last thing I want to do to adjust something while I'm in bed. I have a zigbee lightswitch so I can turn the light off from bed, and sure I could open an app to do that, but it's so much better to get a zigbee button and stick it to the wall above my head and program it to control the lightswitch. Unlike all the cloud garbage, my zigbee devices continue to function even…

Totally agree. I got a philips hue dimmer switch for next to the bed. One of the best things I got for the home automation. Just click it and everything in the house goes into night mode. no phone needed.

I’m doing this with some Tapo buttons.

And double tap turns on a fan.

Tapo is likely a security nightmare.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by lostlogin » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:46 PM UTC

geodel wrote: post #208

xg15 wrote: post #32

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In addition to everything else, also love how a bed with the express purpose to increase sleep quality requires you to open your phone every time you want to adjust a setting.

I mean while you are opening your phone you might as well check latest savings by DOGE, wouldn't it help you sleep even more safe and sound?

What DOGE say they have saved, what has been saved, and how that looks in 5-10 years time are all very different answers.

Maybe there needs to be a red answer and a blue answer?

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by owenversteeg » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:48 PM UTC

Anyone here tried those aquarium chillers? Sounds like a great alternative, I would love to read more about using them in practice.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by knodi123 » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:50 PM UTC

adiabatty wrote: post #233

jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

If you’d rather not buy another gizmo for a function your phone has likely gobbled up already… iOS, iPadOS, and macOS have a pretty great built-in background-noise generator these days. While lots of actual beaches can go dead silent and then have a loud wave crash in, the waves that It’s available in Settings -> Accessibility -> Audio & Visual -> Background Sounds. You’ll have to download the sounds each once, but a…

:facepalm:

I can't believe I had to download an app for that because the feature is buried in SETTINGS (!!!!). What an obtuse choice. Thanks for the tip though, I hate that my white noise app has a rotating ad banner.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by zemvpferreira » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 10:54 PM UTC

bloopernova wrote: post #225

zemvpferreira wrote: post #204

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My friend Sara had a rare form of breast cancer at 34. Thankfully she survived, but to improve her odds of staying alive she's been essentially put into permanent menopause for the next decade. Constant hot flashes. Is the Bedjet really that good? Would your wife recommend it without reservations? Are there any other product that have made a difference for her? Apologies if that's intrusive but improving Sara's sleep…

Yes, my wife would recommend it without reservations. There's also a cold water circulator, useful for icing a painful limb etc. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09VRJ153X Not intrusive at all, I hope your friend can find some relief. I hope she can find strength and joy in life.

Thank you both very much for your kind words and advice, ordering one now. No doubt it will make a dramatic difference.

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by flanbiscuit » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 11:00 PM UTC

jimt1234 wrote: post #223

> For someone who suffers from insomnia this seemed worth a shot. I can relate, having suffered the same for most of my life. One thing that really helped me was a simple white noise machine, typically used to help babies sleep. Good: I sleep great with it. Also, it's not connected to the internet and doesn't require an app. Bad: I basically can't sleep without it. I have to travel with it (camping!). I even purchase…

I also need white noise to sleep.

At home I have a simple one that plugs in and generates noise with fan. Looks almost exactly like this: https://res.cloudinary.com/guest-supply/image/upload/f_auto,...

When I travel I take this small portable rechargeable one: https://www.amazon.com/Machine-Babelio-Adults-Non-looping-So...

I'm on android so I don't have the built in sounds that iOS has

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by kristofferR » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 11:01 PM UTC

wedn3sday wrote: post #66

A $20/month bed subscription is objectively hilarious. I cant imagine how this company attracts a non-zero number of clients.

They have an excellent product apart from the downsides (subscription and forced internet connectivity), they have no real competitors.

The market is ripe for the taking, but nobody has attempted to compete with EightSleep. EighthSleep is sleek AF, the competitors seem like they are from the 90's, in all the worst ways (HydroSnooze doesn't even have a remote).

Re: I found a backdoor into my bed

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Post by kristofferR » Fri, Feb 21, 2025, 11:03 PM UTC

j2kun wrote: post #29

> but the eight sleep sure does harvest people’s bed data, and occasionally tweet about how they’re watching you sleep [Followed by a screenshot of the EightSleep CEO publicly tweeting about SF sleep data in Nov 2023.] This is reason enough to not patronize this business. What a creep.

They don't have any competitors, for people who need their product it's the only real option. The only competitors have a much worse core product unfortunately, so we have to put up with EightSleep's shit.