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Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by avn2109 »

legitster wrote: post #83

This is a fascinating read, but the thing that bugs me about this whole affair is that when this came to light many years ago it was treated as a cheating and recruitment scandal. But only recently has it been reframed as a DEI issue. Taking old, resolved scandals - slapping a coat of culture war paint on it - and then selling it as a new scandal is already a popular MO for state-sponsored propoganda, so we should be…

> "... slapping a coat of culture war paint on it - and then selling it as a new scandal..."

Astounding level of misdirection/cope here, bordering on non-factual. Did we just read the same article? This is the textbook example of a DEI scandal and was so from the very beginning. I mean the "textbook" part literally, employment discrimination law textbooks will dedicate whole chapters to this scandal for decades at a minimum.

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Post by paulddraper »

gadders wrote: post #179

This is so depressing. This is the sort of DEI effort that gives the rest a bad name. It should never, ever be about hard quotas. It absolutely should be about using some contextual information (factoring the person's school environment in) and challenging assumptions about stereotypes so that you are not deciding who is best on assumptions but on evidence.

> It should never, ever be about hard quotas.

And yet, it is.

The success of a DEI program is the number of people who are in X category.

A homogeneous company is a DEI failure, no?

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Post by kalensh »

d1str0 wrote: post #166
ryandrake wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you (and many others) just assuming the black candidate is less qualified?

That’s literally what this whole article was about. Removing a high correlation performance test, that black candidates didn’t pass as frequently, and replacing it with a very low correlation questionnaire that provided a more diverse applicant pool while weeding out highly qualified individuals.

They still had to pass the performance test. It was just no longer the first step in the process. I want to be clear, that doesn't mean the questionnaire was a good thing. It just means that the questionnaire did not lower the bar.

Instead it reduced the applicant pool in a sudden and unfair manner, which is it's own issue.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by paulddraper »

boohoo123 wrote: post #118

There's a simple fix to removing discrimination in hiring practices that no one seems to notice. Remove all demographic questions from the application. Hide the name and gender and attach a applicant ID. It's as easy as that. Every job should be looking for the most qualified individual regardless of race, nationality, religion, and sex. Demographics in the application are a recipe for disaster on both sides of the i…

Blind hiring in practice that reduces diversity. [1]

Draw from that what conclusions you may.

[1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-tri...

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by apical_dendrite »

Manuel_D wrote: post #214
apical_dendrite wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read it. I've seen all the weightings. My point is that after reading the IG report, I think it's most likely that when he made the following statement he was exaggerating and claiming that he knew the right answers when he didn't: > I am going to send it out to each of you and as you progress through the stages refer to those images so you will know which icons you should select…I am about 99 point 99 percent s…

Do you have the list of answers Snow told candidates to pick? It'd be simple to cross reference those with the biographical questionnaire weightings?

To my knowledge that was not recorded anywhere. However there are interviews with participants on the call: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17Vi9dDtZvbwHDafrygRG...

One of the reasons why I think he was bullshitting was that according to the testimony, he said to answer the question about how many sports you played in high school honestly, but that wast the wrong information because that one of the questions where some answers would give you more points than others. The other reason is that it's just painfully obvious from the testimony that this guy was not reliable - he took a generic resume writing guide that he had been given years ago and passed it off as inside information.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by squigz »

d1str0 wrote: post #166
ryandrake wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you (and many others) just assuming the black candidate is less qualified?

That’s literally what this whole article was about. Removing a high correlation performance test, that black candidates didn’t pass as frequently, and replacing it with a very low correlation questionnaire that provided a more diverse applicant pool while weeding out highly qualified individuals.

Was it replaced, or was the questionnaire an addition?

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by TeaBrain »

refurb wrote: post #177
jwkpiano1 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He has zero experience running a large organization. The Secretary of Defense, while a political appointee, also requires some ability to manage a large organization, which again, he doesn’t have. And suggesting that we didn’t get the desired outcomes from another qualified candidate doesn’t mean we should switch to literally unqualified candidates. Take your partisan hat off for a few minutes and think about what qu…

He was a major in the US Army, typically leading a battalion, and while not a government department, saying he has “no experience” is false. What does a battalion leader need? Organizational ability, the ability to motivate. He is preceded by a guy who decided to hide a serious health issue from his own boss (must have though nobody noticed Biden’s issues, so no biggie), to the point he was unreachable for days . So…

He has experience in a number of positions, but I don't think it should be controversial to point out that he has little to no leadership experience leading large organizations. Hegseth left active duty the same year he was promoted to major. He was only a captain in active duty for less than three years. Captains can lead at most a company, which often have at-most 200 members, but can have less than 100. The department of defense supervises over a million.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by jwlake »

boohoo123 wrote: post #118

There's a simple fix to removing discrimination in hiring practices that no one seems to notice. Remove all demographic questions from the application. Hide the name and gender and attach a applicant ID. It's as easy as that. Every job should be looking for the most qualified individual regardless of race, nationality, religion, and sex. Demographics in the application are a recipe for disaster on both sides of the i…

The real key is to stop reporting those characteristics of the workforce.

Re: The FAA’s Hiring Scandal

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Post by squigz »

widowlark wrote: post #46
garbagewoman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if people who have been historically quantifiably discriminated against and disqualified based on that discrimination, how can that imbalance be corrected?

By helping to make them qualified to pass the tests.

How, exactly? Perhaps by encouraging schools to accept more people from those groups?
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