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Re: New speculative attacks on Apple CPUs

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> As pointed out by iLeakage, Safari lacks Site Isolation Well I'm shocked, for such a company that promotes security and privacy, apple not having put site isolation into safari seems amateurish.

I consider the world lucky that the Apple apologists haven't emboldened Apple to prevent its customers from using other browsers on their Macs... yet.

Re: New speculative attacks on Apple CPUs

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> Individuals could choose a "secure" browser or browser mode that provides increased protection from such attacks or a "compatible" one that is less likely to break old websites. And then we get thousands of posts whining about Safari being broken because it is "not like Chrome" and developers moaning that their unsafe pet API is not supported. Web developers are never going to play ball.

idunno, as a professional web dev since 1998, I don't understand why Google, Apple and Mozilla are trying so hard to make the web browser like a complete OS (I technically understand why, I just think it's ridiculous). The amount of obscure APIs being added just boosts the surface area for vulnerabilities and makes low-resource web browsing nearly impossible. You either get "a web browser that works" or "a web browse…

> The Screen Wake Lock API provides a way to prevent devices from dimming or locking the screen when an application needs to keep running. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Screen_Wake...

There's an obscure use case for this called "Watching Video"

Re: New speculative attacks on Apple CPUs

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For any yung'uns seeing this for the first time, the spectre and meltdown attacks (and accompanying papers) are worth reading. https://spectreattack.com/

Is it bad that I disable spectre mitigations on all my PCs to get a free double-digit-% performance boost?

Where and how do you disable these mitigations?

Re: New speculative attacks on Apple CPUs

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Have you noticed how often people complain Chrome uses too much memory?

Because long-inactive tabs should go to sleep. If Chrome itself is not aggressive enough, try the "Auto Tab Discard" extension.

There is now a Chrome Option "Memory Saver" which dictate how aggressive it is to put Tab into Sleep.

Safari on the other hand doesn't even have Tab Sleep for whatever reason.

Re: New speculative attacks on Apple CPUs

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Seems like speculative execution is just fundamentally insecure. With SPECTRE/MELTDOWN mitigations, doesn't CPU performance drop below the same CPU performance with no branch prediction at all? Should we move back to CISC? Or maybe VLIW?

I don't think so; speculative execution is the cornerstone of modern CPU performance. Even 15-year-old 32-bit ARM CPUs do it. The only phone/PC-grade processors without it are the first generation of Intel Atom, and I recall that early Atom processors sacrificed a ton of performance to keep power consumption low. I doubt this will change since mitigations are "good enough" to patch over major issues.

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The permanent solution to the flaw is either a hardware/OS-side fix (i.e. disabling this particular kind of speculation via a chicken bit, if there is one), or Safari implementing site isolation in the same way Chrome and Firefox are already doing. But as the former might well be impossible (at least without ruining performance or requiring a hardware swap), and the latter might take a while, websites should still ta…

> But as the former might well be impossible (at least without ruining performance or requiring a hardware swap), and the latter might take a while, According to the site they informed Apple in May 2024. Should that not have been enough time?

No. For fanboys, everything Apple does is the best thing anyone could ever do. So if Apple needs more time, then it is impossible to be faster. And last line of defense "Whataboutism". I wish people would not be so predictable and boring.
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