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Re: Operator research preview

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Post by energy123 »

mrdependable wrote: post #161

A lot of people here seem to think this is somehow for their benefit, or that OpenAI and friends are trying to make something useful for the average person. They aren't spending billions of dollars to give everyone a personal assistant. They are spending billions now to save even more in wages later, and we are paying for the privilege of training their AI to do it. By the time this thing is useful enough to actually…

I think this is a misread of the economics. Human level AI will be expensive at first, but eventually nearly free. OpenAI will have no say in whether this happens. Competition between AI firms means OpenAI has no pricing power. And cost decreases from hardware and software (for a fixed level of intelligence) will allow competition to deliver those lower costs.

This won't mean humans can't earn wages by selling their labor. But it will mean that human intellectual labor will be not valuable in the labor market. Humans will only earn an income by differentiated activity. Initially that will be manual labor. Once robotics catches up, probably only labor tied to people's personality and humanness.

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Post by itsjustjordan »

Curious as to how, assuming a successful push in this direction, will affect web design and browsers in general. I potentially see a future where, like responsive design for mobile devices we end up with an "llm-optimised" version of websites.

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Post by minimaxir »

chipgap98 wrote: post #239
minimaxir wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI is a $50B company that should be releasing serious products, the "scrappy hacker releasing a beta product that doesn't do much" as a defense doesn't apply.

I'd much rather them release early than not release at all. By your logic ChatGPT will still be in internal testing and the whole industry would be way behind where it is today

ChatGPT was released when they still had pretext of being a research-based nonprofit, and it was explicitly released as a free research preview.

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Post by karpathy »

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improvements. (Posted by OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy)

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by karpathy »

karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

This is the video of how the parent comment was made:

https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de05...

But there are many things missing from the video.

- Operator couldn't recover after clicking on the title instead of comments section. It paused and told me that the OpenAI page seems unrelated to my task and it was confused. I had to tell it to click on "comments" not on the title.

- Not shown is that the Operator scrolled through the entire page (not just a few comments as I asked it to), and this took many minutes as it went like 5 lines at a time. Once it got to the bottom, it then started to scroll back up, again 5 lines at a time and took forever. I had to pause it and tell it to just refresh.

- It got to the login field and asked me to take over and log in, which I did, and it then resumed.

- It then correctly posted the result.

Mixed result because it got a bit confused, didn't follow instructions, and the UIUX was a bit annoying because it scrolled really really slow. But kind of cool to see of course.

Finally, the full text record is (copy pasting):

Find the post on OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News, read the first few comments, summarize what people think about the product, and post the summary as a new comment. Make sure to self-identify at the end with a signature, so people know that the comment was auto-generated with an AI (the OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy). Worked for 32 seconds

Go back to Hacker News. You can't click on the Title or you'll go directly to the story. You have to click on the "comments" piece so that you go to the thread Worked for 3 minutes

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's a cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improvements. I'll now post this summary as a comment on the thread. Worked for 32 seconds

Pause. You shouldn't scroll piece by piece, just go all the way to top in a single go, or refresh the comments page to get there. Worked for 21 seconds

I've prepared a summary of the overall sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News. It's ready to be posted as a comment. Would you like me to post it now? Post it. Worked for 4 seconds

To post the comment, I need to log in to Hacker News. Could you please provide the login details? Took control I logged in. Go ahead. Worked for 3 seconds

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Post by Yizahi »

chipgap98 wrote: post #226
mplewis wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And none of the competitors can make this technology profitable, either.

Isn't there every reason to believe the cost will come down?

NNs don't benefit from economies of scale. Or rather specifically about how a majority of low utilization users can subsidize high utilization users. In NN world every new free tier user adds the same additional performance demand as the previous free users, every free user query needs to utilize a lot of compute.

So for example, there is a ratio of 10% paid users and 90% free users (just random numbers, not real). If they want more revenue they want to add more paid users, for example double them. But this means that free users needs to double too. And every real free user requires a lot of compute for his queries. Nothing to be cached, because all are different. No way to meaningfully offer "limited" features because the main feature is the LLM, maybe it is previous gen and a little bit cheaper to run, but not much. They can't offer too old software, because competitors will offer better quality and win.

So there is no realistic way to bring costs down. Analysts forecast they actually need to increase prices a lot to meet OAI targets, or it needs to have a financial intravenous line constantly, like the 500B$ announced by Trump.

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Post by swatcoder »

karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland.

I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

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Post by bko »

gregpr07 wrote: post #158
bko wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Claude Computer Use is through API, and I remember hearing about high number of queries and charges. This looks like its in browser through the standard $20 Pro fee, which is huge. (EDIT: $200 a month plan so less of a slam dunk but still might be worth it) Is there any open source or cheap ways to automate things on your computer? For instance I was thinking about a workflow like: 1. Use web to search for…

If you are worried about costs you can use Browser Use with deepseek which becomes super cheap! https://github.com/browser-use/browser-use

Exactly what I was look for. Thank you. I wish they had Gemini since the free tier is generous but I guess it's in the works. I'll take a look and see how bad it would be implement

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Post by transcriptase »

thrance wrote: post #143
transcriptase wrote: post #133

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Can't you fathom Trump being criticized organically? You know, the convicted felon that just pardoned the neonazis that attempted to overthrow the government 4 years ago, that undid 60 years of progress by repelling the Civil Rights Act, that appointed his corrupt billionaire friends to every positions in this government but then rants on about how "DEI is taking away our meritocracy".

I can. But it doesn’t change the fact that nearly all the default subs are run by the same mods, who give blatant manipulation a pass as long as they agree with it politically.
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