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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by stonesthrowaway »

dgfitz wrote: post #127

I have never seen so many downvoted comments that aren’t dead in a thread before. If anyone had examples of other threads of this ilk I’d be curious to see them. I’m completely ignorant as to the public sentiment on this topic, no social media besides this site.

> I have never seen so many downvoted comments

Must be those pesky chinese or russian bots. Or could it be something else entirely? A chosen group of bots perhaps?

> that aren’t dead in a thread before.

Give it some time. They start with the downvotes and when things quiet down some, then come the mass flagging of comments.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by nick_ »

neoromantique wrote: post #187
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #125

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I don't know why this is downvoted. Do people not realize Gaza was razed to the ground?

If Israeli goals really were to displace Palestinians, maybe they'd start within Israel proper first?

Are you being facetious? If you are, that's awesome and hilarious.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by defrost »

Sabinus wrote: post #232
Thiez wrote: post #158

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Why? I think most of us can recognize they're not necessarily good by our standards, so they're not the good guys. But they are the ones resisting a genocidal apartheid colonialist state, so they're at least better than the Israelis. So if we call Israel the bad guys, that leaves Hamas as... the guys.

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> Also Israel is not genocidal or apartheid (see: the Arab populations that live in Israel with Israeli citizenship)

Did this argument work for White Rule South Africa? It wasn't an apartheid state as non whites had South African citizenship?

The currrent AI view on your assertion is that:

  Arab citizens of Israel have the same legal rights as other Israeli citizens, but they often face discrimination. They are eligible to vote, hold jobs, and live anywhere in Israel. However, they experience socioeconomic disadvantages and discrimination in social and political life.
That kind of zeitgeist summary is drawn from multiple sources, eg: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citize...

  Arab citizens have the same legal rights as Jewish Israelis, but they tend to live in poorer cities, have less formal education, and face other challenges that some experts attribute to structural discrimination.

  Arab political parties have long struggled to gain representation in Israel’s government, and many Arabs have expressed alarm at the leadership of right-wing Jewish politicians, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dmix »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #206
dmix wrote: post #178

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Of any of Israel's wars in recent history none has decimated their regional enemies as much as this. Every way you cut it they are in a much more secure position militarily. Iran (aka Lebanon/Syria) losing so badly is more important than Hamas surviving because that was the cludgle that threatened them from punishing Gaza too harshly (for ex: America pushed Israel very hard not to provoke Lebanon after Oct 7 and we s…

Israel was in an extremely secure position on October 6th. They blew it by getting soft on border security, a mistake they won’t make again. There was absolutely zero reason a single hamas fighter should’ve been able to escape Gaza.

Yes reading about the insecurity of the military outposts near the border, one only filled with all-female 20yr old comms people and only a couple guards with rifles, another base full of unarmed students in training, and the general slow response of some of the QRF was pretty shocking. Proper military response took hours to show up in some cases. It's not like the giant Ukraine border, it should be easier to manage. But I'm no expert...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by firen777 »

UltraSane wrote: post #212
firen777 wrote: post #207

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> But being someone who HATES trump as much as they hate Hamas is a bit lonely

Sometimes I genuinely feel like the world is being shoved into some manufactured simulacrum where we must reside in one of the two arbitrarily binary political camp. You must either be a maga loyalist and bow to the russian overlord, or be a "liberal" and unconditionally accept islamists as victims of oppression and hamas is the final solution.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by Nimitz14 »

g19205 wrote: post #196
threeseed wrote: post #160

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> ostensibly pressures Netanyahu into accepting the ceasefire There is no evidence of this. Every single time Trump has blustered about doing something e.g. turning Canada into a 51st, buying Greenland the parties have been concerned but not particularly worried. Because he doesn't follow through. So the idea that we should credit Trump for his words and ignore the months of diplomacy and pressure from not just the U…

https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-official-trump-envoy-sway...

Pretty obv a gift from the bibi admin

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by caycep »

threeseed wrote: post #160
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

> ostensibly pressures Netanyahu into accepting the ceasefire There is no evidence of this. Every single time Trump has blustered about doing something e.g. turning Canada into a 51st, buying Greenland the parties have been concerned but not particularly worried. Because he doesn't follow through. So the idea that we should credit Trump for his words and ignore the months of diplomacy and pressure from not just the U…

The broad outlines of the deal as well as all the work in pushing together the various parties is from Brett McGurk and his team, and he deserves the lion's share of the credit. That being said, there's probably some contribution as to the timing of the US inauguration, and Trump giving the nod to Steve Witkoff throw support behind McGurk, though.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dlubarov »

culi wrote: post #129
pydry wrote: post #93

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There's even a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to documenting Israel's decades long support for Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

As a WP editor, the anti-Israeli editors have become a very strong majority, making it a poor source of objective information. For example the first paragraph of the Zionism article now reads: "Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine with as much land, as many Jews, and as few Palestinian Arabs as possible."

The article you link to essentially boils down to the fact that Qatar funding for some (ostensibly) infrastructure and humanitarian aid projects in Gaza, with Israel facilitating it. It's not really support for Hamas, except in the sense that such Gaza aid projects require the involvement of its government.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by caycep »

threeseed wrote: post #166
propagandist wrote: post #113

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Trump wanted the war to end, and I'm sure Netanyahu was doing his Netanyahu thing. Posting that video was Trump's way of telling Netanyahu that he will burn him by turning him into public enemy #1 with his base. That's how he got him to agree.

This makes no sense. Netanyahu destroyed his reputation within the Democratic base and it did not concern him in the slightest. Because Israel stopped truly needing the approval of the US a long time ago. And so the idea that he is suddenly worried about what the Trump base thinks has no basis in fact. Especially when the Trump base is not 1-1 with the Republican base i.e. the majority of the Congress still supports…

Also shows that Israeli electorate/Jewish diaspora now likely a distinct/separate entity from US Jewish population...drifting apart since at least 2008 if not earlier.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by sudosysgen »

8note wrote: post #211
sudosysgen wrote: post #155

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This is untrue on multiple levels. Iran invested most of its resources on its own military - the proxies are extremely cheap - and Iran's most powerful Iraqi proxies are fine, while the Houthis actually came out of this stronger.

who's the strongest proxies? i thought it was Hezbollah, who are now in shambles

By equipment and manpower, it's the proxy groups of the Iraqi PMF by a country mile, and apparently the Houthis are stronger than anyone expected.
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