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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by potato3732842 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #27
youngNed wrote: post #16

Tired: Canada should join the eu Wired: greenland should pacman defence[1] the USA [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_defense

Expired: Northern California should become its own state I miss the wired/tired/expired lists greatly. Wired from 2000-2010 was a high-quality publication.

A bunch of states ought to get split into multiple because it would result in a better mapping of state governments to economic and cultural lines and result in better representation for all parties on the state level.

Of course it will never happen for a multitude of reasons

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by transcriptase »

threeseed wrote: post #223
buckle8017 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The single largest group of immigrants to Canada are Indians pretending to be temporary students. Five million of them.

So you're claiming that every temporary student will become a permanent immigrant. Be good to see a source for the mechanism behind this.

https://www.canadianimmigration.com/study-in-canada/permnane...

The student to permanent resident pipeline is an entire booming industry in Canada with a dozen loopholes to exploit. Unless you honestly believe that millions of Indian international students are here to receive a quality education in “hospitality” at a strip mall diploma mill then return home.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by xen2xen1 »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215
titanomachy wrote: post #175

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by titanomachy »

epolanski wrote: post #98
aborsy wrote: post #66

Canada will do much better joining US (and distancing itself from declining EU and its disastrous policies). The US is much better managed; the results speak for themselves.

Gonna tell you a secret, the world isn't black and white, while there are areas such as the economy where we struggle to compete as an European I would never want to live in the US again (I studied in Columbus Ohio for 7 months as an exchange student at OSU and traveled US multiple times). The streets here are clean, spotting a homeless person is borderline impossible even if you try, in US I've seen tents, bidonvill…

I've lived in the US and Canada (a couple large cities in each country), and briefly in a medium-sized city in France.

Canadian cities are the cleanest of the three countries, but homelessness and drug use are just as prevalent in Canada as in the US. I don't remember seeing many addicts in Europe but there were certainly a lot of homeless refugees when I lived there. I guess you could argue that's not the fault of the host country, unlike the homelessness in Canada/US.

Other than that, the US cities I've lived in have felt safe and livable, with vibrant street life and plenty of great restaurants and events. I prefer urban neighborhoods which are close to the downtown core, but outside of it; the visible social problems seem to be very concentrated in certain areas, which can be avoided.

If by "guarded neighborhoods" you mean gated communities with full-time live security, I think your friends are major outliers. A very small minority of people live that way in America.

I do agree with you about "less anxiety around healthcare or education". My European friends see the world and life very differently. People don't feel guilty about living a normal life in the same way that some Americans seem to: the culture here screams "strive" and "excel", and I think that drives a lot of people to be miserable when they feel they are falling short of that expectation.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by buckle8017 »

threeseed wrote: post #223
buckle8017 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The single largest group of immigrants to Canada are Indians pretending to be temporary students. Five million of them.

So you're claiming that every temporary student will become a permanent immigrant. Be good to see a source for the mechanism behind this.

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by amatecha »

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

Speaking as a Vancouverite: nope. I'm more vocal than ever about calling out any shred of prejudice or hate from anyone around me -- not that I have to do so very often at all. Once or twice a year at most, I'd say.

If you are in Canada and you have a problem with immigration, uhhh.. sorry, but you might want to figure out how to accept it.

"According to the 2021 Canadian census, immigrants in Canada number 8.3 million persons and make up approximately 23 percent of Canada's total population. This represents the eighth-largest immigrant population in the world, while the proportion represents one of the highest ratios for industrialized Western countries" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada

FYI, an extremely well-funded lobby group wants to bump Canada's population to 100 million by the year 2100: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by cldellow »

skissane wrote: post #219
transcriptase wrote: post #213

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> Canada's immigration policy is on the whole highly selective, focused on skilled immigrants Was. At present nearly every min wage and gig economy position in the country is 99% early 20s males from India taking advantage of being able to enrol in a diploma mill to qualify for PR. The Feds knew of this shady pipeline for years and did nothing because it juiced GDP numbers that otherwise would have revealed a recessi…

> At present nearly every min wage and gig economy position in the country is 99% early 20s males from India taking advantage of being able to enrol in a diploma mill to qualify for PR. The Feds knew of this shady pipeline for years and did nothing because it juiced GDP numbers that otherwise would have revealed a recession. Australia has had the same problem and in the last few years the Australian government has cr…

Canada has begun cracking down on this. There are now caps on the number of visas issued. Foreign students are no longer allowed to work full-time jobs by default while studying. This is especially relevant, because the Comprehensive Ranking System for permanent immigration gives points for years of full-time work experience in Canada, as well as for diplomas earned in Canada.

Unwinding it will be a bit messy: lots of post-secondary institutions have to figure out how run programs with a lot less funding, and what to do with capital projects that no longer make sense in light of greatly reduced enrollment, etc.

The damage done to the average Canadian's view of immigrants will take some time to fade away. But I suspect it will, with time, especially since our traditional immigration system really does just skim the "good" immigrants -- the ones with money and the skills to succeed.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by xoxosc »

cs02rm0 wrote: post #20

Wacky idea. The EU is an awful lot of legislation to sign up to, not the most popular it's even been either. If it's just about trading space and resources for people I'd imagine a more bespoke arrangement would be preferable for both sides.

Not to mention the bureaucrats at Brussels are not elected!

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

aborsy wrote: post #124
jasoneckert wrote: post #87

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The opposite would be better for the US. If the US joined Canada, they could benefit from universal healthcare, schooling, and responsible gun laws within a short period of time, given the available resources that would be added to the Canadian system.

This is wishful thinking. The quality of public healthcare in Canada has been declining. In particular, the waiting times are long. Those who are well off go to US for important timely care. The gun violence in US is higher, but the chances of that impacting you are low, if you avoid problematic areas.

Canadian healthcare is quite interesting. It's the best in the world if there's someone from the States in the room but as soon as it's just Canadians in the discussion, it instantly becomes the world's worst.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by analog31 »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #215
titanomachy wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

Source?

This sounds like a propaganda position. We hear it in the US too. It's a typical Republican strategy to take an area where they can't formulate a coherent economic or policy agenda, and turn it into a social issue. Instead of stealing our jobs, the immigrants are now stealing our cats.

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