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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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I disagree with your opinion so its wrong!

millions and millions and millions of cars sold is not really an opinion :)

Right, and people must like whats popular! Preferences are false and they simply have yet to succumb to the wisdom of your position!

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I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

It's pretty common in third world countries.

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You are disengaged from consensus reality if you don’t understand why thinking the 2020 election was in any way fraudulent is an extreme view.

I agree but I think s/he showed good faith with the rest of the comment and shouldn't be flagged. GP's surprise that Taibbi (author of the Twitter Files, hired by Musk) said "there is no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story" is great evidence of the fact that many people just live in informational wormholes.

Thank you. I think someone (or maybe multiple people) just mass flagged all my comments, including ones that I struggle to see as controversial. My curiosity and questioning of the "consensus reality" apparently really upset someone.

Doesn't exactly make me more confident in their opinions, if when I question them or try to understand them by comparing my own views people attempt to silence me unjustly (I didn't break any HN rules as far as I can tell, and I checked).

I spend about an hour a week on HN, and about another hour a week combined mixed between reddit, twitter, NYT, reuters, and probably a couple others I am forgetting. Just trying to get a pulse of what's going on across a wide range of sources.

Most of my time consuming information is reading books and listening to podcasts. I have listened to several Elon musk interviews (Lex Fridman mostly).

Does this explain my "information wormhole"?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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I think some of that demand is there in the US. My daily needs for a car would be satisfied with 100 mile range, allowing for a pretty generous buffer. I also sometimes need to drive beyond the range of an EV without wanting to think about recharging delays or possibly getting stranded. I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Even something like a Nissan…

>I'd consider owning a very cheap small EV for my daily needs, but not at the prices they command today. Is that due to EV prices or car prices in general? I guess it depends on where you are and what price you pay for electricity. But I also think a lot of people haven't internalized the price inflation of new and used cars in the last 4 years. A second generation Leaf with less that 25k miles can be had for less th…

>should be eligible for a $4,000 used EV tax credit (if your income is under $150k):

This is only true if you do a joint file. If you're a single filer, it phases out once your income is above $75k, or $112k for heads of household.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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millions and millions and millions of cars sold is not really an opinion :)

Right, and people must like whats popular! Preferences are false and they simply have yet to succumb to the wisdom of your position!

if something is bad you won’t be able to make an empire out of it and outsell your competition by a wide margin - you gotta use a little bit of your head here… millions of people won’t pluck down $50k because something is “popular”

elon is a fucking tool - the cars are fucking amazing.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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millions and millions and millions of cars sold is not really an opinion :)

Right, and people must like whats popular! Preferences are false and they simply have yet to succumb to the wisdom of your position!

This could be true of songs and movies. But cars are too expensive. And Teslas are bought not just by the rich but all across the economic spectrum. I can't relate to what you talk about here.

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

norway was almost full EV purchases last year. cold weather issues are totally exacerbated. also, i drove in a tesla, and the number of cameras doing weird and confusing things with bad perspectives weirded me out. i don't know why, but it just felt wrong, and too much information on the screen too. like they tried to do every technical thing just because. and if you don't think musk is a danger, idk what to tell you…

The parts of Norway where most of the populations lives have warmer winters than most of the northern US states except the ones near the Pacific ocean.

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May I ask what kind of car it is and where the road trips are from/to? The last time I rented an EV in the SF Bay Area (a year or two ago, a Leaf), I had trouble even finding enough charging stations just to get around the area, like from SF to the South Bay and then to Santa Cruz. The few chargers I did find had several broken stations, multiple people waiting in line for the one working one, and it was very expensi…

The public fast-charging situation is a lot better for anything that that has a CCS1 or Tesla/NACS port. Which is pretty much everything that isn't a Leaf. The 2011-2025 Leafs use the bulky CHAdeMO port for DC fast charging, which didn't catch on. The completely redesigned 2026 Leaf should be transitioning to NACS though. https://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissan/leaf/2026/ ...also, pretty much anything other than the C…

I am incredibly relieved to hear that the Leaf is finally getting a redesign.

I chatted with a poor fellow in a Leaf trying and failing to charge on the single sad broken CHAdeMO plug at a station, and was just thinking... yeah, Nissan sold you a bad car, I'm really really sorry.

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For a while, if you wanted a long range EV you could actually cross the country with, Tesla was it. That's just not true anymore -- I'm coming up on year three with my non-Tesla, and it's been perfect, road trips and all. Tesla still has its brand recognition and inertia in its favor, but it's tougher for them when you can get equally good if not better cars elsewhere.

Which one?

VW ID.4! Definitely not the best car in the segment, but the best car at the time for the price. It's really been a dream of a vehicle!

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100% same re the pedo tweet. Though sometimes I remember how just about everyone in my life that I love, respect and have spent a lot of time with has said something stupid, insecure, distasteful or offensive at some point. Everyone makes mistakes and says or does something out of character when they are at their worst. The difference with Elon is that so much of what he says is so public. Some of my friends who are…

he should keep his opinions to himself because he wields more power than billions of people combined, is the richest man in the world, and has said and done pretty heinous things. platforming nazis and right-wing white supremacists, siding with fascists who tried to stage a coup, calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicia…

> calls for the murder of muslims, calls for the removal of rights for trans people, and is now calling for treason charges against politicians

Please provide evidence of these claims.

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