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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by xvector »

nosbo wrote: post #156
demarq wrote: post #99

just to remind everyone that state of the art was Will Smith Eating Spaghetti in April of 2023 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/yes-v... We're not even done with 2024. Just imagine what's waiting for us in 2025.

But it's the same thing just at a higher fidelity. Which is impressive don't get me wrong. But they are also kinda bad looking. Like even there good examples have so many issues. I just don't see how this gets extrapolated into the ideas in various posts like full length movies, custom TV shows and holodecks or whatever else people dream up. Do we have any examples of tech that just kept improving at exponential or l…

> Why is everyone so confident it will just keep getting better?

Because there are literally thousands of avenues to explore and we've only just begun with the lowest of low hanging fruit.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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unglaublich wrote: post #223
WickyNilliams wrote: post #221

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Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

You can trust what you see and hear around you. You might be able to trust information from a party you trust. You certainly shouldn't trust digital information from unknown entities with unknown agendas. We're already in a world where "fake news" and "alt-facts" influence our daily lives and political outcomes.

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by bsenftner »

WickyNilliams wrote: post #221
dtquad wrote: post #211

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Instead of calling for regulations, the big tech companies should run big campaigns educating the public, especially boomers, that they no longer can trust images, videos, and audio on the Internet. Put paid articles and ads about this in local newspapers around the world so even the least online people gets educated about this.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

That is reality, that is nature. The natural world is filled with camouflaged animals and plants that prey on one another via their camouflage. This is evolution, and those unable to discriminate reality from fiction will be the causalities, as they always have since the dawn of life.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by bsenftner »

unglaublich wrote: post #223
WickyNilliams wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we really want a world where we can't trust anything we see, hear, or read? Where people need to be educated to not trust their senses, the things we use to interpret reality and the world around us. I feel this kind of hypervigilance will be mentally exhausting, and not being able to trust your primary senses will have untold psychological effects

You can trust what you see and hear around you. You might be able to trust information from a party you trust. You certainly shouldn't trust digital information from unknown entities with unknown agendas. We're already in a world where "fake news" and "alt-facts" influence our daily lives and political outcomes.

One absolutely should not trust what you see and hear around you. One cannot trust the opinions of others, one should not trust faith, one can only reliable develop critical analysis and employ secondary considerations to the best of their ability, and then be cautious at every step. Trust and faith are relics of a time now gone, and it is time to realize it, to grow up and see the reality.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by latentsea »

bottled_poe wrote: post #222
jillyboel wrote: post #215

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This tech is cute but the only viable outcomes are going to be porn and mass produced slop that'll be uninteresting before it's even created. Why even bother?

Comments like this one are so predictable and incredulous. As if the current state of the art is the final form of this technology. This is just getting started. Big facepalm.

Have you already noticed the trend of image search results for porn containing inferior AI slop porn?

I have. It sucks. The world we're headed for maybe isn't one we actually wind up wanting in the end.

I like the idea of increasingly advanced video models as a technologist, but in practice, I'm noticing slop and I don't like it. Having grown up on porn, when video models are in my hands, the addiction steers me in the direction of only using the the technology to generate it. That's a slot machine so addictive akin to the leap from the dirty magazines of old to the world of internet porn I witnessed growing up. So, porn addiction on steroids. I found it eventually damaging enough to my mental health that I sold my 4090. I'm a lot better off now.

The nerd in me absolutely loves Generative models from a technology perspective, but just like the era of social media before it, it's a double edged sword.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by Retr0id »

xvector wrote: post #240
Retr0id wrote: post #230

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Right, but there are plenty of middle grounds between true communism and just letting markets freewheel.

There's no evidence that this fearmongering over safety is actually correct. The worst thing you can do is pummel an emerging technology into the grave because of misplaced fear. Just take a look at how many everyday things were "incredibly dangerous for society" - https://pessimistsarchive.org/

Spend any amount of time on mainstream social media and you'll see AI-generated media being shared credulously. It's not a hypothetical risk, it's already happening.

Even if you're not convinced that it's dangerous, at the very least it's incredibly annoying.

If someone dumped a trailer full of trash in your garden, you're not going to say "oh well, market forces compelled them to do that".

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by xvector »

Retr0id wrote: post #246
xvector wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence that this fearmongering over safety is actually correct. The worst thing you can do is pummel an emerging technology into the grave because of misplaced fear. Just take a look at how many everyday things were "incredibly dangerous for society" - https://pessimistsarchive.org/

Spend any amount of time on mainstream social media and you'll see AI-generated media being shared credulously. It's not a hypothetical risk, it's already happening. Even if you're not convinced that it's dangerous , at the very least it's incredibly annoying. If someone dumped a trailer full of trash in your garden, you're not going to say "oh well, market forces compelled them to do that".

Eh, growing pains.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by [deleted] »

yurylifshits wrote: post #163
simonw wrote: post #131

I got access to the preview, here's what it gave me for "A pelican riding a bicycle along a coastal path overlooking a harbor" - this video has all four versions shown: https://static.simonwillison.net/static/2024/pelicans-on-bic... Of the four two were a pelican riding a bicycle. One was a pelican just running along the road, one was a pelican perched on a stationary bicycle, and one had the pelican wearing a weird…

There's another important contender in the space: Hunyuan model from Tencent My company (Nim) is hosting Hunyuan model, so here's a quick test (first attempt) at "pelican riding a bycicle" via Hunyuan on Nim: https://nim.video/explore/OGs4EM3MIpW8 I think it's as good, if not better than Sora / Veo

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Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by yoavm »

Miraltar wrote: post #214
yoavm wrote: post #133

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What makes you think that viewers wouldn't be watching AI generated content? Considering the possibilities of fake videos, I'm sure that it can be very engaging. And the costs are zero.

Search youtube for stoicism, you'll find an overwhelming amount of generated content. And a lot of other niche subjects have been colonized like that.

And that shows that viewers won't be watching AI generated content? If anything, I think that it shows exactly what I'm saying - that there are viewers and the cost is essentially zero.

Re: Veo 2: Our video generation model

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Post by yoavm »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #183
yoavm wrote: post #133

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What makes you think that viewers wouldn't be watching AI generated content? Considering the possibilities of fake videos, I'm sure that it can be very engaging. And the costs are zero.

The costs are not zero. I recently generated a short AI video for my son in Runway Act One. That $15 balance evaporated in like 6 prompts. Of course, it's orders of magnitude cheaper than making a video or an animation yourself.

It was a figure of speech. Comparing to how much it can cost to make a non-AI video, this is basically free, and if we can learn from the change of costs in LLMs, the price will probably be ~10% in ~2 years from now.
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