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McKinsey and Company to pay $650M for role in opioid crisis

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Post by marcosdumay »

zmgsabst wrote: post #167
Retric wrote: post #67

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The alternative of continuing isolation was available though impractical for many. The ethics around vaccination is it saved well over 1 million US lives without direct force, that’s a clear win by any reasonable ethical system. Being unable to be an unvaccinated healthcare worker is little different than requiring people wash hands, or preventing them from walking around shooting patients. PS: Actual estimates for l…

COVID vaccines weren’t believed to be QALY positive for a substantial period of the mandates, according to actuarial estimates. The vaccines hospitalized at a rate higher than they prevented hospitalizations and the mandates applied to groups who were at virtually no risk. > The ethics around vaccination is it saved well over 1 million US lives without direct force, that’s a clear win by any reasonable ethical system…

> The vaccines hospitalized at a rate higher than they prevented hospitalizations

The vaccines emptied the hospitals. Literally.

Two weeks after the vaccination (with any of the western trio, or the one China exported), the odds of people being hospitalized felt more than 90% every time somebody measured, everywhere.

The Chinese one was the "bad" one, with the odds falling by not much more than 90%. The other ones were much better.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

jgtrosh wrote: post #165
gonzobonzo wrote: post #76

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> A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. I keep reading people who say, over and over again, that the war on drugs is a failure and that it's a mistake to try criminally prosecute suppliers and send them to prison. People will always find a way to get the drugs if they want them, we're told. But then I se…

To add to other comments, this can also be partly justified by the fact that blue collar crime is the only kind of crime for which prevalence is even partly inversely correlated with the increase in severity in punishment.

    > blue collar crime
I never saw this term before. Do you mean all crime except white collar crime?

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Post by ungreased0675 »

fooker wrote: post #93
ungreased0675 wrote: post #92

What is this construct where someone can just pay money to avoid personal accountability for crimes?

The money is literally the accountability here. You could have other forms of accountability sure: freedom, life, and so on. For several reasons, we have settled on money as the preferred form unless the responsible party has a good chance of harming others in future.

Except the monetary accountability comes from the company, and the people responsible remain rich and successful. In order to put the brakes on unethical and immoral behavior, personal accountability must be a possibility. As in, you will go to jail if you intentionally hurt others via decisions made at work.

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Post by ryandrake »

RicoElectrico wrote: post #183
jmcgough wrote: post #28

A slap on the wrist. After a half million Americans have died from a crisis they helped kickstart, they should be facing criminal charges and jail time. The rich and powerful once again are allowed to buy their freedom.

Exactly, if anyone is shocked at what happened to that insurance CEO, there is a reason. Elites never face personal consequences beyond fines, maybe expect when they defraud investors.

And in this case, as is almost always the case, the "elites" are not even paying the fine. The Company is. No human being inside the company who made any of the relevant decisions and did any of the wrongdoing will suffer in any way, or have to pay anything.

If you want to kill people and get away with it, just form a corporation and have your CxO and SVP staff make decisions that kill people.

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Post by Retric »

bdangubic wrote: post #240
Retric wrote: post #237

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You have that relationship reversed. If you work for the FBI you can quit at any time and work for a different companies with different rules. You can’t work for a company that gets to ignore minimum wage laws.

this all makes sense of course, I am not forced to stay at the FBI. however, I just might: - love what I do and love the team I am on a my mission. - have a career at fbi, not a “job” I am willing to change like underwear - be gs-15 few years away from retirement/pension/… you can technically say this is a “free” country and all that but it is just semantics

You don’t lose a pension when you quit, you simply qualify for fewer years served.

A career extends beyond a job means that you can transition to something related outside the FBI. If there some aspect of a job you dislike then quit.

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Post by JambalayaJimbo »

jfengel wrote: post #233
jncfhnb wrote: post #227

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It varies tremendously. Imo the people who have sweatshop experiences bring it upon themselves mostly.

I've always been unclear on this. Various careers are famed for extremely long hours, but I don't know just what it is they do for all that time. Consultants, financeers, etc. I know that I have only so much brain power to spend a day. I can work longer, but at best you're going to get more grind, not quality. I keep wondering if these consultants could accomplish as much in fewer hours if they weren't so intent on b…

There is a lot of work done that is effectively meaningless and doesn’t take a lot of brain power. Sliding things around a PowerPoint for example.

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Post by rightbyte »

jncfhnb wrote: post #227
rightbyte wrote: post #191

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McKinsey is sweatshop but with good pay. The work conditions are atrocious and they grind through naive young people like Verdun. Some people have argued on HN that the consultants are cya and political support for things the management class allready know they want. That seem about right.

It varies tremendously. Imo the people who have sweatshop experiences bring it upon themselves mostly.

Mm ye. I don't have first hand experience but two class mates and a friend that worked there gave the same picture.

They described it as up or out where you really have to grind long hours and the career is in sales and management not as a consultant really.

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Post by jncfhnb »

rightbyte wrote: post #247
jncfhnb wrote: post #227

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It varies tremendously. Imo the people who have sweatshop experiences bring it upon themselves mostly.

Mm ye. I don't have first hand experience but two class mates and a friend that worked there gave the same picture. They described it as up or out where you really have to grind long hours and the career is in sales and management not as a consultant really.

Not really what I meant. It is up or out, but I don’t really believe the long hours are an effective way to achieve the up. It’s just something a lot of people impose on themselves.

The sales and management part only really comes in after you’ve passed the team manager level which is fairly advanced.

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Post by jncfhnb »

JambalayaJimbo wrote: post #246
jfengel wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always been unclear on this. Various careers are famed for extremely long hours, but I don't know just what it is they do for all that time. Consultants, financeers, etc. I know that I have only so much brain power to spend a day. I can work longer, but at best you're going to get more grind, not quality. I keep wondering if these consultants could accomplish as much in fewer hours if they weren't so intent on b…

There is a lot of work done that is effectively meaningless and doesn’t take a lot of brain power. Sliding things around a PowerPoint for example.

Sliding things around on a PowerPoint is a lot of nitpicky communication design thinking. It’s still draining.
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