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The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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I'm also very concerned about self-selection bias for the positive stories like this. Ideal would be an aggregate of fathers anonymously reporting satisfaction vs those reporting dissatisfaction with their choice of having kids , and then (male) non-fathers reporting satisfaction vs dissatisfaction with having kids.

>(male) non-fathers reporting satisfaction vs dissatisfaction with having kids How would that work?

non-fathers reporting satisfaction vs dissatisfaction with not having kids. Typo.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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On an open internet forum like HN, posting like you did in this thread is basically a form of trolling. Please don't do that here. I know it wasn't your intent, but we have to by effects, not intent ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... ) and the effects are clear—I don't just mean in this case, but in the general case.

I appreciate your reply. I've read the linked comments which had good explanations of your moderation theory. You tell us to avoid comments that lead to emotionally-charged misperceptions, ideological battles, and so on. People do this out of selfish desires or misunderstanding the effects of their comments. By blocking them, you intend to make a cohesive, calm community. I've seen the work you do myself by reading with showdead on.

"and it destroys the free exchange of views by ruining the container—the community and site—that supports it. The container is fragile and needs protecting."

"it's the difference between users who comment with care for the whole and those who don't"

I believe these two summarize your top goal. There's a higher goal that we're to balance which is giving glory to God (Jesus Christ) while leading others back into a relationship with Him. While it bothers some, I'm not ashamed of the Gospel since Christ is the only name by which men can be saved. Sharing Christ with a community creates eternal value for them on top of existing, temporary value. Also, a life of purpose with access to God in prayer to help live it effectively.

Whereas, a community of people, or moderators, who suppress the Gospel of Jesus Christ will face severe consequences the day He judges their lives. The thought of people here experiencing that saddens me. The risk goes up if you allowed things that mock the same God. Recent example in this story:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42369233

Far as "troll effects," that won't be a problem for open-minded, humble people. The Father draws them to Himself. His Word is living and active where the Creator of our brain causes it to know it's true on a deep level. If they act on that, they'll repent and be grateful for all the Lord Jesus Christ does for them. God's Word never returns void if shared.

"[Jesus said,] But the things which proceed out of the mouth come out of the heart, and they defile the man. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual sins, thefts, false testimony, and blasphemies." (Matt. 15:18)

If they hate God's authority or love their sin, they react highly negatively in a way that shows how wicked their hearts are. Jesus says we're judged only for giving them a chance, not their rejection of Him. If they admonish or censor, I believe Christ expects authorities to address their reactions, not censor the Gospel.

(Note: One person here did find some of the comments insightful. Others might have been built up. That's some success.)

Now, I'm certainly willing to reflect or share Christ in the same ways people here do other topics. Especially controversial ones. I see submissions, corroborating points from different perspective with helpful advice (I did that here), counterpoints asking their thoughts, and personal expression of beliefs in on-topic comments.

Are these allowed for Christians like they are for other topics, some controversial? Or are you banning sharing the Gospel on Hacker News where readers can't receive eternal salvation here? Shouldn't we let them decide if they burn in a lake of fire for their sins or receive Jesus Christ's gift of forgiveness?

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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> Friendly reminder that this is HackerNews; nobody is here (nor cares) to read your incoherent, unwelcome religious preach nor to argue religion - at all. Be careful, Faith comes in many forms, and in many metaphysical frameworks (science, as one example).

Faith != religion I have faith in the mathematical probability that you will reply - 66.6% Nobody told me to do that, but I have faith! Do be careful, religion also divides countries, separates families and inherently promotes inequality by categorizing human beings into troughs to be tagged, labelled and consumed.

Do you have Faith that the sensation that you can read minds at scale is genuine?

I do not need a lecture on religion or rationality from you, thanks. It is Your Kind that keeps these habits going strong, not mine.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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As a second time parent, looking back now, that is such a good advice. On the first play-through we second guessed ourselves so much. On the second time, we knew where all the good loot was hidden. :) we felt so much more in control. The truth is that a lot of details first-time parents try to control don't really matter that much or cannot really be controlled.

What are these details? I'm curious to know what to focus on and what not to.

One thing that I wish I knew was the conflict between the parent short-term vs long-term benefits.

Imagine there is a big meltdown because the child wants a snack. The parents are exhausted and you just need it to stop. You will have a strong interest in finding a quick short-term solution (ie. give the kid a snack) because it will produce immediate benefit (end the meltdown). But in the long term that may have side effects (e.g. the kid will expect snack at any time they want).

The long-term goal (eating schedule) has a high short term cost (meltdown will go longer and be harder) but often ends up paying off in a big way over time.

I wish I had paid more attention to that, but I don't want to be too hard on my old exhausted self :)

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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is just so absolutely bizarre to me as a 28 year old childless man who intends to have kids that gaming could possibly be something that you would trade vs raising a literal human child who is a genetic copy of you and the person you love most in your life

You’re sort of begging the question that the second thing is really desirable. You accurately describe the experience, but that doesn’t necessarily make it something people want.

im sorry but its just bizarre to think that you need to re-litigate whether checks notes the primary biological purpose of our existence is indeed desirable

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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is just so absolutely bizarre to me as a 28 year old childless man who intends to have kids that gaming could possibly be something that you would trade vs raising a literal human child who is a genetic copy of you and the person you love most in your life

Please don't take it as a personal attack, but you're 28 and from the way you're talking, it sounds like kids are not a priority for you right now, so apparently you want to do certain things before getting them. Many people who end up child-less are just like you - they don't actively decide "I'd rather game than have children", they just make excuses and postpone until it just doesn't work out at all. One thing whi…

no that perfectly makes sense, and for some context i am likely to have a kid within the next 5 years if things dont go horribly in my relationship, but beyond that i really struggle to imagine that a 42nd vacation at the age of 62 is going to be more satisfying than watching my kids graduate college

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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You’re sort of begging the question that the second thing is really desirable. You accurately describe the experience, but that doesn’t necessarily make it something people want.

im sorry but its just bizarre to think that you need to re-litigate whether checks notes the primary biological purpose of our existence is indeed desirable

“Biological purpose” is a weird phrase. Evolution has no purpose, it’s just what happens. Purpose is what we make of it.

In any case, it’s just a plain fact that some people don’t desire to raise a child. Many, probably most, do, but many don’t. Personally, I’d pick the video games. Heck, I’d pick nothing as a preferable alternative to raising children. Not everyone considers it a positive.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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im sorry but its just bizarre to think that you need to re-litigate whether checks notes the primary biological purpose of our existence is indeed desirable

“Biological purpose” is a weird phrase. Evolution has no purpose, it’s just what happens. Purpose is what we make of it. In any case, it’s just a plain fact that some people don’t desire to raise a child. Many, probably most, do, but many don’t. Personally, I’d pick the video games. Heck, I’d pick nothing as a preferable alternative to raising children. Not everyone considers it a positive.

billions of years of evolution are screaming at you to reproduce. your entire being was crafted for that sole purpose, methinks our flesh machines might enjoy that and it might actually be a good thing.

crazy thought i know.

Re: The Surreal Magnificence of Fatherhood

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“Biological purpose” is a weird phrase. Evolution has no purpose, it’s just what happens. Purpose is what we make of it. In any case, it’s just a plain fact that some people don’t desire to raise a child. Many, probably most, do, but many don’t. Personally, I’d pick the video games. Heck, I’d pick nothing as a preferable alternative to raising children. Not everyone considers it a positive.

billions of years of evolution are screaming at you to reproduce. your entire being was crafted for that sole purpose, methinks our flesh machines might enjoy that and it might actually be a good thing. crazy thought i know.

That’s great, but it didn’t actually work for me, or for many other people.
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