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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by QuadmasterXLII »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #130
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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The whole pandemic, Libertarians in my state were screeching about government overreach in response to rules made by megacorporations, and will justify this omni- screech in my replies because the megacorp rules followed CDC guidance. Can’t make it up. Perhaps in other countries the government did severely restrict people, I can’t say as I wasn’t in other countries. If you can say, but also weren’t in other countries, perhaps examine that.

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Cumpiler69 wrote: post #43
bloomingkales wrote: post #32

Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. Up there with gravity and shit. I wish we could do something with this information, but alas, knowledge isnt power. Cersei Lannister: Power is power.

>Orwell being so right about governments using the constant threat of a virtual enemy has got to be one of the all time top on the money predictions ever. It's not a prediction when it's history. That has been going on at least as long as the Roman Empire, yet people are still surprised it's happening today. Modern regimes didn't invent these schemes, they're reusing tried and tested methods because they're known to…

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Post by setopt »

coldtea wrote: post #190
jamal-kumar wrote: post #147

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Speakers over 40 all around the world use that. And when emojis are not supported (like in an plain text file meant to be read on people's terminals, or iirc here on HN too), it makes sense for people under 40 too.

They might have meant writing :-) instead of :), while I think you’re talking about

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #241
Workaccount2 wrote: post #130

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The whole pandemic, Libertarians in my state were screeching about government overreach in response to rules made by megacorporations, and will justify this omni- screech in my replies because the megacorp rules followed CDC guidance. Can’t make it up. Perhaps in other countries the government did severely restrict people, I can’t say as I wasn’t in other countries. If you can say, but also weren’t in other countries…

Illiberalism thrives on the far right and far left, news at eleven.

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Post by xnorswap »

zorked wrote: post #231
xnorswap wrote: post #174

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Yes, but Orwell wasn't really writing _about_ the UK, you need to look at the context and background of the work, which is the rise of Stalinism and the fear of that brand of totalitarianism taking over.

There is a very politically-motivated school of interpretation of 1984 that wants to excessively tie it to "Stalinism" to prevent using the book to critique other political doctrines - completely unrelated to Stalinism or communism - that exhibit the same tendencies. Interpret more broadly and it becomes a much better, more important book.

It wasn't just Stalinism, it was wider totalitarianism too, but that wasn't the point I was making, it wasn't a critique directed against the state of the UK at the time, but what it could become.

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Post by hammock »

intoamplitudes wrote: post #11

Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…

What if it was all part of the plan?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

notahacker wrote: post #211
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126

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> sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this If the President is accusing "the country’s opposition of controlling the parliament, sympathizing with North Korea and paralyzing the government with anti-state activities," that vote will take place without the opposition. (It's mindblowing they left this in their Constitution after the 80s.)

The leader of his own party reportedly called it unconstitutional and vowed to stop it, so I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one.

> I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one

The classic move is to block the legislature from assembling while one gets around to dissolving it.

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Post by dsego »

MrMcCall wrote: post #81
drdrek wrote: post #12

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We've been in the prologue to Version 3 since the end of WWII. It's the nature of what we, the citizenry, have allowed to happen with our governments and multinational corps: destruction of the environment, subjugation of the people, and arming themselves to the teeth instead of prioritizing peace and prosperity for one and all. Compassion is the only viable step forward, and its manifestation requires stopping the b…

The Long Road to War, a recent documentary about ww1 opened my eyes regarding geopolitics. The gist is that conflict was bound to happen, the spark that started was just the first domino to fall to set everything in motion. The way the leaders and top level brass think is in terms of opportunity. Country x is weaker now, they will be superior in 10-15 years, let's attack now while we have an advantage. Or in the opposite case, lets wait until we build canals, railroads, weapons and so on. The reasons for war can be fabricated with a false flag operation or expedited with provocations. Also in the meantime countries can keep smaller war zones active, this is to ensure the readiness of troops, they can have direct battlefield experience and know-how.

We always have to contend with the lowest common denominator. Maybe there is a certain percentage of progressive compassionate people that are interested in everyone's prosperity, but the rest are easily swayed and mobilized, so when the shit hits the fans we are all forced to choose sides and fight to survive. Another issue is that there always comes an easily impressionable generation that hasn't seen war and is eager and ready to go and fight for national ideals and reclaim those mythical glory days.

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Post by anon291 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #228
anon291 wrote: post #212

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> making people do that for 14 days after traveling anywhere in the country is martial law in all but name only It's not. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law since passports, border control and driver's licenses. > imposing fines instead of jailing people for exercising civil rights is still martial law No, it isn't. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law…

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