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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by aetimmes »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
janalsncm wrote: post #6

Is it all the ways that matter? The author mentions one way, DAU. Sure, that is important but I can think of other things that matter. The number of “creator” accounts matters just as much as the number of lurkers. From my experience Bluesky is way better and has respect for the user’s choice front and center. Lists of users to follow is a first-class citizen feature. Their algorithm is a chronological feed, not boos…

> Their algorithm is a chronological feed Why does a chronological feed get considered and algo? Do we consider SQL queries with WHERE and ORDER BY clauses an algo now?

I mean, it's all just quicksort under the hood, right? By extension...

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

cryptica wrote: post #212
drivingmenuts wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you don't think the desire to get away from Elon Musk and the MAGA crowd had anything to do with it? Nothing good was ever going to come about because of Elon's stupid acquisition. That was made painfully obvious when Xitter stopped paying their bills - I guess in the hopes that creditors would be forced to arbitrate lower payments on debts owed to them (which is bullshit for a billionaire to be doing, but you do…

From my perspective, X experience has improved a lot since Elon's acquisition. What actually got worse materially? I hear a lot of gesturing 'Orange man bad', 'Elon help orange man, so Elon bad' but I cannot reach any of these conclusions from first principles looking at Trump's policies while he was President... Aside from the Jan 6 incident... But I don't see consensus there between either side so I do have some do…

The confederate flag has only been raised inside our capital buildings once, and that was on Jan 6.

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Post by emseetech »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #230
emseetech wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI has the ability to overwhelm systems of moderation at a much greater scale than humans. That's the issue.

Good.

Can you explain how that's a good thing?

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by ndiddy »

afavour wrote: post #192
hellcow wrote: post #191

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They just raised $15M. Surely their investors expect a large return.

They’d be dumb to: > Bluesky Social is a benefit corporation; as such, it is allowed to use its profits for the public good, and is not obligated to maximize shareholder value or return profits to its shareholders as dividends. I have no idea but I suspect the investors see monetary value in an open social network not owned and operated by today’s tech giants. There’s a difference between users making money via the s…

The only protection that the "public benefit corporation" status provides is that investors can't sue the company for failing to maximize shareholder value. There's lots of other avenues they can take to make the company do what they want (assuming sufficient share ownership) such as pressuring the board, voting in directors, or converting the company to a regular corporation (it's not like a 501(c)(3) where this isn't possible in most cases).

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Post by mcphage »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #210
mcphage wrote: post #172

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> Free speech is the upside of X. You can’t possibly believe that, can you? Have you not noticed the vast gulf between what Musk says and what Musk does?

I don’t care much for Musk one way or the other. What I do know is that old Twitter actively censored ideas that didn’t align with their world view and new Twitter stopped that fascistic approach. Musk fired 6,000 Twitter employees and the site not only continues to work fine but has rolled out many new features. What were those 6,000 people even doing? Just how big was the censorship team?

But it does censor idea that don’t align with their world view. They do it even more now than they did before; the only difference is now they claim they don’t.

And it continues to run, but not well. The nice thing about the kind of site it is, is that if you don’t see a particular message, you can’t tell it’s missing.

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Post by dehrmann »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #228
CaptainFever wrote: post #208

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See the Fediverse for example, which prides itself on not having algorithms, and is yet the most echo-chambery and radical place I know of. People automatically filter themselves into different servers, and defederate with each other with frequency. (Whether or not this is good or bad depends on your moral views. But I think it is obvious that "algorithms" are not really to blame.)

Didn't it spring up in response to those blameless "algorithms"?

It's more a product of cheaper and easier content distribution. When TV is expensive to produce, there are only three channels, and it's heavily regulated, you target your content to be broadly appealing and inoffensive. The rise of cable TV, revocation of the fairness doctrine, rise of the internet, and fall of the USSR all led to more exposure to broader views. Like GP said, whether this is good or bad depends on your view.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by cryptica »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #240
cryptica wrote: post #197

I refuse to use Bluesky because it is clearly being pushed on the masses, in collusion with mainstream media, as an alternative to X. Clearly another attempt by certain people to control information. It's shocking how people fall for this stuff over and over again. I hope if backfires, mostly draws in users from existing speech-unfriendly platforms and then the number of social media platforms will multiply from here…

I broadly agree with your perspective however I think you've missed that bluesky is specifically architected to facilitate the coexistence of bubbles : shared block lists, client based moderation, portability in case you account is banned from a particular host etc, Bluesky is well positioned for a future where cliques don't want to hear from one another

That's too bad but I guess if people want to silo themselves in, they should be allowed. I just hope that big corporations don't eventually coerce everyone into this through economic force.

I can see a future where corporations control the entire economy. Startups or parallel economy would be impossible due to regulatory moats and monetary asymmetries and everyone would be forced to lock themselves into a filter bubble in order to get a job... To survive.

Imagine knowing what's happening and not having the power refuse... And by that point, the power would be granted fully artificially out of a money printer, distributed straight into the coffers of select big corporations on the basis of secret mutual agreements between each other. All under the banner of MMT? This is beyond immoral.

More specific to your point, it makes sense why the entities behind the censorship push might still want a single platform, but simply with better 'siloing' capability. It's likely that the same people who want censorship, also want mass surveillance. Mind-bending to think that there exist a conflict between these two dystopian aspects! They really want to have the cake and eat it too.

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Post by AznHisoka »

paxys wrote: post #82

> but now the Bluesky app has exploded to 3.5 million daily active users, putting it just 1.5 times behind Meta’s Threads Are they implying that Threads has just ~5 million daily active users? Adam Mosseri shared in the beginning of November that they have 275 million monthly active users. Bluesky meanwhile has 20 million total users. Considering the author hasn't shared a single source for their claim, I find it har…

I wonder how many of those 20 million BlueSky users are squatters that are registering every popular brand name, in the hope it becomes a lot more valuable in a year

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Post by hughesjj »

citizenkeen wrote: post #176
hughesjj wrote: post #143

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It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start. Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

Google+ was wildly successful in certain circles. Tabletop RPG design still hasn’t entirely recovered from its loss. Google+ was successful from any real metric but it didn’t replace Facebook so it was axed.

I definitely preferred it to Facebook, even before the feed became 100% inflammatory political stuff or ads and 0% my friends

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Post by kevincrane »

ipaddr wrote: post #213
kevincrane wrote: post #134

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lol I don’t want the bigots and people sending death threats to exist, I’ll stand on a soapbox and say that

Your guess is bigots. Care to provide more details. Racism or a broader bigot definition?

I’ll be honest, I have better things to do with my time then help you narrow down your personal definition of bigot. Sorry.
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