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Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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I wonder if lifestyle or sociodemographic includes having specifically young children. That seems like a specific known temporary sleep disruption.

The cogort was 40-69 yo.

I am 40 and it's very common for people my age to be having babies. I would wild-ass guess that 10% of American 40-somethings have babies these days. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/motherhood-deferred-us-median-a...

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I did that for years with jobs that required it and didn’t find that worked for me.

That’s a bummer! Have you found out why that didn’t work? Perhaps something like caffeine or allergies was interfering with your sleep? If haven’t found out, I wholly recommend doing a sleep study if you can. It can shed some light on any obstacles you may be experiencing. I’ve never done one myself, but I know people who got enduring benefits from the insights of their studies.

It doesn't work because I fall asleep easily in the early evening or the early morning, and not so much between them. It's not affected by seasonal light, caffeine, exercise, etc. I've never considered a sleep study because once I'm asleep I'm usually fine.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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what helped me was to use an alarm clock. but to go to sleep!

In my case, having a bedtime alarm would only leave me anxious and frustrated if I went to bed and failed to sleep at that time. But I have tried something similar: setting an alarm to decompress before sleeping. No phone, no TV — just some quiet music playing or some books to read. I still set this night alarm, but it is much easier to ignore it than to ignore my body’s natural tendency to lose steam after waking up…

actually, I should correct my comment. Not alarm! but notification.

What helped was notifications leading up to bedtime. two hours, one hour 30 minute, "get to sleep". It sort of gives you context to wind down.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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The reduction of death rates which is not due to panaceas but to fixing specific causes of death, one by one, yes.

I meant more like this: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7272078/ Like it breaks down at an exponentially increasing rate. Hard to keep up with that.

Oh interesting. Yes I agree that such a model of accumulating damage would show a logarithmic scaling with life expectancy.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Just as a secondary data point. Without medication I have about a 32:12 hour cycle. Up for at least 30 hours and sleeping for about 12. I can function on 5 but I'm grumpy about it for a while. Always been that way. Completely inverted as well. Up all night and my body tries to convince me to sleep during the day but I'm just not able to for another twelve hours. I got fired from several jobs because of it. My folks w…

Just curious what meds you take for this.

Prescribed or OTC?

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Just as a secondary data point. Without medication I have about a 32:12 hour cycle. Up for at least 30 hours and sleeping for about 12. I can function on 5 but I'm grumpy about it for a while. Always been that way. Completely inverted as well. Up all night and my body tries to convince me to sleep during the day but I'm just not able to for another twelve hours. I got fired from several jobs because of it. My folks w…

Hey, I feel that. Lots of people think I'm a flake. And I use the word "inverted" frequently to describe my state to my friends/girlfriend/clients when it gets too far outside social norms ;) Just a piece of unsolicited advice: I learned to make a virtue out of it. I'm a solo software dev and I have to maintain big pieces of code that run 24/7. Well, my virtue is that I've been available 24/7 to my clients for the la…

I appreciate it. The issue I have is that while clients love being able to get a hold of me out at all hours my employer fires me for being five minutes late.

I use the term inverted to describe my circadian rhythm but people who don't see me physically suffer from being awake for days don't get it. My folks think I'm making it up and my friends get it but also don't.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Just as a secondary data point. Without medication I have about a 32:12 hour cycle. Up for at least 30 hours and sleeping for about 12. I can function on 5 but I'm grumpy about it for a while. Always been that way. Completely inverted as well. Up all night and my body tries to convince me to sleep during the day but I'm just not able to for another twelve hours. I got fired from several jobs because of it. My folks w…

Have you tried magnesium l-threonate, sub-milligram melatonin, or CBN? The first two have been very effective for me and the latter seems promising, but I don’t have that much trouble getting to sleep so I’m curious if they’re effective for someone with real difficulties.

I take 1mg melatonin and at no less than 50mg doxy succinate a night to try to sleep. Maybe a few days every few weeks it just won't work so I'm stuck being awake for hours while feeling super tired and groggy and then I'll be awake again the next night like I got a full night's sleep.

I have no idea what CBN is. Not intentionally tried the magnesium but I can keep an eye out. I'm between jobs so I can't really afford to get up and buy things too often but I'll add it to my list to look for.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Hey, I feel that. Lots of people think I'm a flake. And I use the word "inverted" frequently to describe my state to my friends/girlfriend/clients when it gets too far outside social norms ;) Just a piece of unsolicited advice: I learned to make a virtue out of it. I'm a solo software dev and I have to maintain big pieces of code that run 24/7. Well, my virtue is that I've been available 24/7 to my clients for the la…

For a bit of alternate perspective, I had a happy life until a night shift worker moved in next to me, and began setting off alarms, cooking and leaving at variable times while experimenting with their sleep. They explained how they could sleep through everything. Completely oblivious to why the building wanted them to leave(I'm not saying this is the same for you). Maybe that is what this study is capturing.

I lived in an apartment and with my grandparents as an early adult. I do my best to keep all my noises down to a minimum and I live in my own home. When I get new speakers I walk the perimeter to see the levels I can set it to without it being heard. I've got good hearing, though, as a result. My televisions and computers are constantly at single digit volume levels.

I can't imagine subjecting anyone to disturbances while sleeping.

Unfortunately, while I'm medicated I can't help sleeping through alarms so my last partner refused to cohabitate at night. I understood but it didn't help things.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Have you tried magnesium l-threonate, sub-milligram melatonin, or CBN? The first two have been very effective for me and the latter seems promising, but I don’t have that much trouble getting to sleep so I’m curious if they’re effective for someone with real difficulties.

I take 1mg melatonin and at no less than 50mg doxy succinate a night to try to sleep. Maybe a few days every few weeks it just won't work so I'm stuck being awake for hours while feeling super tired and groggy and then I'll be awake again the next night like I got a full night's sleep. I have no idea what CBN is. Not intentionally tried the magnesium but I can keep an eye out. I'm between jobs so I can't really affor…

IIRC first generation antihistamines are not good for your brain when taken chronically in higher doses, I would definitely look into those effects.

CBN is a federally legal cannabinoid that is reportedly pretty good for sleep, not causing intoxication or interfering with REM like THC does.

I have not tried it, although I do regularly use THC (also not good for the brain) for sleep that, along with a meal, reliably gets me asleep very quickly, although unfortunately without noticeable dreams and with a distinct laziness in the morning, but with these negatives somewhat mitigated when magnesium l-threonate is added.

Re: Sleep regularity is a stronger predictor of mortality than sleep duration (2023)

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Do you work out? How often, how long and what type of exercises do you do?

5 days a week, Velodrome 1 hour high intensity. 49/14 + :30 each way to work. I'm tall and skinny.

Interesting, I wonder if it's common for people who don't need much sleep.

I need 5ish hours of sleep(usually less) and I feel that regular workouts (7 days a week, 60 min runs) help me clear brain fog a lot.

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