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Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by voytec »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #91
IshKebab wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which countries obey crossing lights as strictly as you describe? I've been to lots of European countries and none were like that. Not in the way that the US is.

Poland is pretty strict. They will fine you if you cross the street where there isnt a crosswalk. And generally people wait for green light in Poland even if there are zero cars on the road.

> Poland is pretty strict. They will fine you if you cross the street

It's varies in different parts of Poland.

Lublin - double fine for crossing a street with an "island" between the lanes on red light

Warsaw - single fine, but ~99% chance of getting fined even if you don't see any cops around

Gdańsk - you can jaywalk in front of a precinct and unless you force drivers to honk, or act stupid in other way - no cop gives a flying fuck. Cities with tourism have cops acting on different rules.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by Der_Einzige »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #139
standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

> First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. "Walking while black" Recently saw a courtroom video where a black man was being charged with marijuana possession. The reason for the initial stop was jaywalking, but the cop didn't even ticket him for the jaywalking, just used it as a justification for p…

Oregon is the most pro drug state in the country. Of course that’s the case here.

We see folks trying to take away the progress we made here. My county is trying to ban shroom companies. Very sad.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by standardUser »

mslate wrote: post #160
standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

Yes yes, the person outside of a car must provide deference to the car owner. Poor people serve the rich.

If you have a point you can feel free to make a point instead on snidely putting words in someone else's mouth.

And where exactly do you live where only rich people drive cars?

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Post by hyperliner »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #139
standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

> First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. "Walking while black" Recently saw a courtroom video where a black man was being charged with marijuana possession. The reason for the initial stop was jaywalking, but the cop didn't even ticket him for the jaywalking, just used it as a justification for p…

Video referenced above:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0PUgbArgXJA

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by Gigachad »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #220
sehugg wrote: post #161

Good riddance. Crosswalks at intersections are nearly obsolete due to the thick A-pillars in modern cars. I would rather have mid-block crosswalks with warning lights and traffic calming devices.

It's quite the opposite isn't it? Drivers don't have to see pedestrians; they stop at red lights, and pedestrians cross when they get a walk signal.

Many intersections have turning lanes active at the same time as the walk signal is green.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by potato3732842 »

standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

>Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all.

Generalize it more:

"If anyone else has to go out of their way to alter their trajectory to avoid you you're doing it wrong."

This applies to just about every road interaction between any two users regardless of type.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by nobody9999 »

bsimpson wrote: post #148
nobody9999 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>New Yorkers don't have a concept of "jaywalking"; it's just "walking." As a general rule, I watch the cars and not the traffic lights. Mostly because many motorists (and NYC buses are the worst!) often don't pay attention to pedestrians, intersections or traffic lights. In fact, I'm more careful when walking through an intersection than in the middle of the street.

New York is probably the only place in the US where most of the drivers did not learn to drive here. It's the most international city in the US, and a disproportionate number of people who use the roads (taxis, delivery drivers, etc) grew up in places that have a traffic system very different that the US's. People in New York routinely run red lights, roll through crosswalks, ride in the shoulder - things that you mi…

>New York is probably the only place in the US where most of the drivers did not learn to drive here.

Yep. They "learned" in Connecticut, New Jersey and Long Island. And that's really scary.

As I mentioned, MTA bus drivers are the worst at this sort of thing. And they learned to drive (at least their buses) here in NYC.

Got anything else you want to blame on immigrants? It seems to be trending behavior. And more's the pity.

Re: Jaywalking legalized in New York City

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Post by nobody9999 »

fragmede wrote: post #67
tsimionescu wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In certain parts of the USA, cars are allowed to turn right from the first lane even on a red light, unless there is some explicit sign prohibiting it in that intersection.

Unless expressly prohibited , eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US.

>Unless expressly prohibited, eg by said sign, right-turn-on-red defaults to being legal across vthe US.

It is exactly the opposite within the confines of New York City[0], where right on red is expressly prohibited, unless a sign says otherwise.

[0] https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/ssi09_rightonred....

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Post by ben0x539 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #246
standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

>Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Generalize it more: "If anyone else has to go out of their way to alter their trajectory to avoid you you're doing it wrong." This applies to just about every road interaction between any two users regardless o…

Surely by following that directive you're altering your trajectory? It can't work in both directions!

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Post by standardUser »

mncharity wrote: post #209
standardUser wrote: post #108

First, let's not forget that jaywalking is one of those "crimes" that is used as a pretense by police to harass people, usually young people and people of color. Second, as a veteran jaywalker, my rule of thumb is that if a car has to hit their breaks even a little, or otherwise alter their trajectory, you're doing it wrong. The goal should be smooth movement for all. Third, just because someone else is jaywalking do…

> rule of thumb is [...] trajectory [...] The goal should be smooth movement for all. A more restrictive one is avoiding driver cognitive load and distraction. City driving can be exhausting. And attention budget allocated to one concern, is less available for that other thing that's about to unexpectedly bite. > just because someone else is jaywalking does not mean you should follow them! Another is attending to cro…

As a Manhattan pedestrian, I think we are a poor example. When I lived in SF, where my jaywalking was much more aggressive than the norm, people would frequently follow me out into busy streets in unadvisable ways.
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