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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by sneak »

FireBeyond wrote: post #198
dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I know your article is on 8K TVs, but it's worth pointing out that the Dell UP3218K is a 32" 8K monitor (but is also not without its own challenges).

I have it and love it. The only problems I have with it are related to it needing to be power cycled if I haven’t used it for a couple days.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by vundercind »

delduca wrote: post #189

I want a 8K 27". Density is important to me.

I want 4k/5k and an 18"-21" diagonal, but all the hi-dpi smaller screens go to laptops and tablets, I guess. No monitors like that. Hell, under 27" and 4k can be tricky to find these days. 24" models exist but are a shrinking category.

I don't want or need my monitor to take up a huge amount of space. But I do want high pixel density. Looks like I'm in too small a market to serve.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

r00fus wrote: post #179
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #126

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That's too much extra work. With multiple monitors you can maximize primary apps while still having manual management of smaller supporting apps on another monitor. You also get more edges for rapid snap to the sides of a monitor.

You're not using the best window managers - most have customizable drag points or keybindings to get exactly what you want.

Since you seem to know about the best window managers, can you recommend one for MacOS which will let me direct focus to whichever window is left/right/down/up of the currently selected one? i3/sway does this just fine, but my impression is that MacOS's api doesn't allow third party developers to pull it off, but I'd love to be wrong about that.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by dllu »

satvikpendem wrote: post #237
dllu wrote: post #212

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I have the Uplift 4 leg standing desk [1]. I got the black laminate desktop in a custom 75" x 42" dimension so the whole thing cost me almost $2000. [1] https://www.upliftdesk.com/uplift-4-leg-standing-desk-v2-v2-...

How did you get it in a custom dimension? I'm almost tempted to just put two of my current desk back to back to make it deeper, would probably be much cheaper than 2k, but then again, they're not standing desks.

Oh I just emailed them, and their rep Jeremy Postma is very nice and responsive.

If you want a cheaper option you could buy an IKEA Karlby Countertop that's 74" x 42" [1] and mount it on the legs yourself.

[1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/karlby-countertop-for-kitchen-i...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by thfuran »

giobox wrote: post #203
thfuran wrote: post #73

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A curved, very wide fov screws up the camera projection for most games though.

This used to be much more true, but almost all PC games support 21:9 now and 32:9 support pretty common too. "most games" screwed up is an exaggeration IMO. Even on games that don't officially scale, on PC they almost always have customizable FoV that gets the perspective correct again. Many modern games are even smart enough to rearrange the UI so that the critical info (health bars, ammo counts etc) is in the cente…

It's the curve that messes things up. It's just significantly more incorrect on wider displays. Many monitors are 1800R, and that's easily curved enough for the projection error to be quite pronounced at 32:9 using a planar projection.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by deergomoo »

criddell wrote: post #97
exitb wrote: post #18

After 15 years of having a desk job I find that I’m more sensitive to the position I sit in. My back feels a lot better if I have a single, regular sized screen right in front of me, instead of having additional screen estate on the sides or below (as with a laptop). At the same time I use virtual desktops that I can switch with both keyboard and mouse.

I'm the same. I use a single 27" 4k monitor and use virtual desktops. The best upgrade for me though was getting a computer prescription for some glasses that I keep on my desk. Sometimes I think about upgrading to a 5k monitor. The Apple Studio Display looks great, but I'm a Windows user and I'm guessing a lot of the nice features of that display are Mac-only. There aren't a whole lot of options for 5k monitors. Oth…

> The Apple Studio Display looks great, but I'm a Windows user and I'm guessing a lot of the nice features of that display are Mac-only

I can possibly be of some help here. I have a Studio Display, however my work-provided machine is a Dell laptop and so that is what is connected to it most of the time.

Providing your machine can output video via Thunderbolt or USB-C, it will work. That is fairly common these days, though Windows machines capable of driving a 5120x2880 signal can be harder to come across, particularly in the corporate laptop world, though I don't know how much of a concern that is to you.

My last work machine maxed out at 4K which the Studio Display would happily scale up to full screen. I would describe it as substantially sharper than e.g. a 2560x1440 display of equivalent size, but still noticeably less sharp than the full native 5K (obviously). My current machine can do the full 5K, but the performance leaves a lot to be desired (however the thing is a turd anyway, too much corporate security crap bogging it down).

Speakers, camera, and microphone built into the display all work totally fine from Windows. What may be a total non-starter is that you need a Mac or iPad to change the brightness, because there's no physical controls on the display itself and Windows doesn't expose a way to control it. I am lucky/unlucky in that my home office does not get a huge amount of natural light, meaning I've been able to set it to a comfortable brightness from my Mac and then just leave it.

Overall it's a very nice monitor if you can work around the brightness thing. A possibly better contender though is the recent-ish 5K variant of the Asus ProArt[0]. I was using the 1440p version of the same monitor before I got the Studio Display, and I was very happy with it. Good colour reproduction, USB-C Power Delivery for one-cable laptop docking, and a far more adjustable stand than the SD. Worth a look.

[0] https://www.asus.com/displays-desktops/monitors/proart/proar...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by porphyra »

bdcravens wrote: post #100

> The bezels and gaps in between the monitors introduce distractions and one is limited in how one may arrange terminals and windows across multiple displays. To me, the segmentation is a feature. It lets me offload information density and focus. For example, I commonly have an editor on one screen, a browser on the second, and something like a chat app, terminal, etc on the laptop screen.

The Dell Ultrasharp 43 4K monitor [1] has a mode where it pretends to be four monitors, one in each quadrant.

> four unique FHD partitions via Internal Multi-Stream Transport (iMST) when connected to a single PC

That's nice for people to organize their windows without needing to figure out a tiling window manager. If only it was 8K instead of 4K...

[1] https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-ultrasharp-43-4k-usb-c-...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by recursive »

atahanacar wrote: post #108
RajT88 wrote: post #86

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1080p is good enough for me. I'm not sure buying 3 4k monitors is going to improve my life any, what with my middle-aged eyes and all. Also, old stuff lacks shady smart features. Bonus!

I think monitors are like headphones. Unless you actually try the "better" ones, you don't have a clue what you're missing. I know because I had been saying "Dual 1080p 24" is all I will ever need." for a long time until I got a 4K 50". Now I can't imagine going back.

I usually use a pair of Sennheiser HD280s that I've had for over a decade. I've used some fancier headphones costing more than an order of magnitude more, from brands such as ZMF. After experiencing the high-end advantage, I'm still perfectly happy with the 280s. There are a few things I care about in a monitor, and DPI is nowhere on the list. Every monitor commercially available has more resolution than I care about. My number one concern is consistency across a wide viewing angle. Low latency, retina DPI, gamut accuracy, HDR, curved surface? I don't care about any of them. I have tried all of them.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by recursive »

stephenr wrote: post #155
RajT88 wrote: post #43

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My wife asked me how much "huge monitors" cost. I told her 100 bucks on Craigslist. Indeed, we got her an old dumb 1080p LCD and she has been super happy with it. It mostly fills the wall of her little cubby hole in our office. For my money, I have 2x 1080p 24” displays, and a third curved 32" 1080p display which is hooked to a KVM so I can game on it. I like the 3 monitor setup because they are all at angles from ea…

1080p at 32"? Dear god man have some self respect. Not everything on a screen is meant to look exactly like Tetris you know.

Some people actually don't care. I'm one of them. I express my self-respect in ways other than my screen's resolution.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by daveungerer »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #243
r00fus wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not using the best window managers - most have customizable drag points or keybindings to get exactly what you want.

Since you seem to know about the best window managers, can you recommend one for MacOS which will let me direct focus to whichever window is left/right/down/up of the currently selected one? i3/sway does this just fine, but my impression is that MacOS's api doesn't allow third party developers to pull it off, but I'd love to be wrong about that.

Not the person you were asking, but after years of using i3, AeroSpace is the only way I can use a Mac productively, and does indeed have the feature you're describing.
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